Perry Turtle

If Joseph doesn't retire, he will probably wait until the trading deadline before he signs with a team, like he's done the last two years.

You also have to consider his gold medal, which vaulted him onto the world stage. It would be interesting to see a new list and where he would rank. Leading the Sabres to the Cup was no easy feat, and sure he played on a loaded Red Wings team, but most Cup winning goalies play on a loaded team (Fuhr, Roy, Billy Smith, Dryden).

Yeah, points scored in loses still impact net points, so you're statement about points in loses not counting is still hysterically and hopelessly WRONG. Things that can lead to opponents scoring: turnovers, failed 4th downs, net punt average, average rush yards against, average pass yards against, pass percentage against, defensive penalties taken, field goal percentage against, offense penalties taken in your own end zone, average opponent field start, kick-off yards surrendered. Know what all of these have in common? Not a single one of them is used in any tie break scenario. So nice try, but WRONG again. So enough grasping at straws rabbit. You have the gun. Try not to blow your own head off in explaining why those turnovers in the Bills win against the Chargers matter. Make it fact based. No "what ifs" or "alternative game" theory. You claim that EVERY turnover matters unconditionally. So why do those Bills turnovers matter?

If this is Allen's ceiling, I'll take it every day of the week. If can improve, great, but I'll take him as-is, interceptions and all. That Jets game is Allen's floor. Sure he took blame. He's a stand up guy. But three interceptions and he still leads the team to force overtime, at a time where it looked like nothing was working for him. He plays 'bad' and the team isn't getting blown out, instead they're battling for the win on the final drive. If the Bills had a healthy defense this season, with Milano, Jones, and White, I would be laying money on them left and right to win the Super Bowl. In my mind, he doesn't need to improve. He just needs to play his game. If he does improve, great, but I think he's pretty locked in right now.

It's a week-to-week, match-up league

Well that just f###ing stupid. And to be technical TDs in losses count towards tie breakers in the final standings. Turnovers don't. WRONG AGAIN Rabbit. Tell me how those turnovers in the Bills win matter to anyone but you. NFL teams review the game film on Mondays and then move onto the next gameplan. Why should anyone be concerned with these turnovers?

No one ever said that in reference to the 49ers game.

To whom? 😄 Not to the team. The W is posted in the standings. They're on to New England. Nick Wright will probably bring it up to make himself feel better about Mahomes this week. So there's that.

I never said that turnovers don't EVER matter. There are definitely cases where they do matter and I gave an example where I believed they matrered. But there ARE several cases where they DON'T matter. Can I find a case where they didn't matter? Hmm, I have to go all the way back to um, Saturday night. This obscure team, the Buffalo Bills (ever hear of them) lost the turnover battle 0-3 to the Chargers, but WON the game. So I guess that turnovers don't matter in EVERY case. Right? So I guess you are WRONG that turnovers matter in EVERY CASE. It depends. 😉

NO IT'S NOT.

In this case, it's not.

Now you're getting it! 😄 Yeah, I think the Ravens are the better team. Hope they do the same thing to Miami next week.

So the Ravens are winning this game?

Pretty simple. The Bills turned the ball over on the goalline. The Vikings scored. The Bills lost. That turnover was a key factor in the loss. The Patriots turned the ball over twice. But the Bills so throughly outplayed the Patriots that the turnovers were not a determining factor in the game. The Bills didn't need the turnovers to win. Things like the Bills pass completion percentage and third down efficiency played a bigger role in determining the outcome of that game.

For his career, Allen has 100 more passing TDs than ints. So he's pretty damn good throwing the ball too. if you want to analyze the 49ers game when it ends, and determine those turnovers are the reason for a loss, awesome. I got no problem analyzing specific game stats to determine what impacted the outcome. If you want to throw out an aggregated stat, like, say, 94% of teams who don't turn the ball over win, well I probably want to continue the conversation to learn if that stat proved true in this specific game.