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The company that makes the balls came out and said the only way for a ball to deflate that much in that amount of time is a pump needle. Case closed.
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Thats the thing I just dot get. Why do they keep trotting out there and contradicting themselves?
This would all be over if they just owned up and said we made a mistake, sorry. It's all very bizarre
I'm glad they didn't just come out and admit it. Because now if the league does find them guilty it'll be a much, much bigger deal because of the lying and deceit. Even when Spygate happened they fessed up. This time it's been nothing but denial.
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OK. Here is the order that explains 1.5 lbs (not 2 though):
1 Patriots super rub the balls, increasing their temp (and the air temp inside) which raises PSI by one pound (per hoodie). For the sake of argument say they measure 13.5 lbs then.
2 Balls are immediately given to officials who find them to measure 13.5, and they deflate them to 12.5 (as requested by Pats)
3 That is the last time balls are normally measured (as best I can tell from what has been stated)
4 If those same balls were just left at room temp for a couple hours, they would cool down and measure 11.5
5 If they go out into 50 degree weather, they drop another half pound to 11 PSI.
The above is not that hard to understand, although many here seem to be struggling with it.
For myself, I think the things at odds with the above, that need to be clarified are:
a) Can the vigorous rubbing actually increase the air pressure by 1 PSI (basically the process needs to generate enough heat to do it)?
b) If it can, how long could that extra 1 PSI hold - and could the Pats get those balls to the refs fast enough that it did hold (hoodie said that is part of their normal game day process)
Bill Nye is full of sh*t when he says the only thing that can deflate a football is a needle. Dropping internal air temp also drops PSI, and he should be smart enought to know that. I drove from AZ into a cold CO one day and was surprised to find all my tires at mid 20 PSI. It's a fact. The only things in question to me are a and b above.
Kind of weird to go through all that trouble to try to explain it that way when there's a much simpler explanation: they cheated.
And the company that makes the footballs just flat out said the only thing that can cause one to lose that much pressure so fast is a pump needle. I'm sure they know more about it than any of us.
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What a freaking idiot. Such a waste of talent. He deserves to be kicked out permanently.
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I don't think he's a *pats fan. Just a misguided soul who's fallen under the spell of the Devil.
You're right I take that back. I misunderstood the post a few posts up thinking he only had 120ish posts on this forum, and all relating to this topic.
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I just figured he was a Pats fan pretending to be a Patriots fan.
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The maker of NFL footballs said it's impossible for a ball to lose that much pressure without a pump needle. I tend to believe them.
No amount of rubbing a football can explain the depressurization.
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I think he's saying nobody cares to hear your arguments defending the Patriots.
Because anyone who has ever played for, worked with, or known Bill Bellichick has said that he's a control freak and to think he wouldn't know about it is crazy.How exactly do you KNOW that it wasn;t just Brady, and more than you KNOW that teams aren't involved in players using PED's?
I have long maintained that I think there is some team involvement, and that a teams with the best sources can gain a big advantage.
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The guy who runs the American football division at Wilson, who makes the NFL footballs, says the only way a ball loses that much pressure is if you put a needle in it and let it out.
If that doesn't put that excuse to rest I don't know what will. Literally no organization or group has done more testing on footballs and air pressure than the company that makes them.
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If not cheating then it's clearly an intentional effort to get around the substitution rules and goes against the spirit of those rules.
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PEDS is cheating by individual players. The Patriots have now been caught twice making a concerted team effort to cheat
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You're right it wasn't illegal. That doesn't mean it was right. The rules aren't there for teams to try to find loopholes in them. I guarantee you there will be a rule change this offseason to plug that loophole.
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It certainly could help explain why Brady seems to defy logic and keeps playing so well despite going into his 17th year in the NFL
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This has become a PR issue, and in those cases perception IS reality.
People are making jokes about Brady and Belichick being cheaters on social media and late night comedy shows. Social media takes every issue viral in 5 seconds. The public has already rendered its verdict, and the damage is done. I'm not saying it's fair or right, but it is what it is.
In the minds of the casual fan for whom real life is an annoying distraction from their digital lala land, the issue is simple: Patriots=cheaters. Any attempt to explain otherwise now is just going to fall on deaf ears, and its mostly meant to lift the spirits of Patriots* fans who desperately want to believe.
Exactly. The Patriots are already guilty in everyone's eyes. They can thank Spygate for that. Any attempts by the Patriots or the league to explain otherwise is going to be met by harsh criticism from everyone and will make this PR nightmare worse.
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Jason Peters would do wonders for this line.
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Bill Nye doesn't eff around. If he says Bill Bellichick's explanation didn't make sense in a scientific way, it didn't.
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Why in the world should a team that's been caught get the benefit of the doubt? I mean it doesn't seem odd that this has never before been a problem in the history of cold weather games, and the one time it is it happens to be with a team that's been caught cheating before? Are there ways to explain how the balls might have been deflated by natural process? Sure. But why go to the lengths to try to prove that in this case? If it looks like a duck and talks like a duck, the Patriots peobably cheated.
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Unfortunately, I think you may be right. The League has been in under the rug sweep mode all week.
It also seems like the deflection angle may have worked with the media. The NBC news coverage tonight was ridiculous. Kristin Welker must not have even watched the PC, as she basically reported that BB said it was all temperature-related (when he explicitly said that was NOT the cause), which sounded A-OK to her. What a joke!
Until someone explains to me how the Colts balls stayed at regulation pressure while the Pats*' shrank, I remain highly skeptical of BB's response.
When you're one of the largest private companies in the world and you have $20+ Billion contracts with all the major networks, I think you can probably dictate their news segments unfortunately. I mean can you imagine if ABC or NBC or Fox wouldn't say what the NFL wanted them to say? They'd lose the most lucrative contract those companies have ever had. They all fight amongst each other to pay literally billions of dollars for the "honor" to broadcast NFL games. The NFL *owns* them all figuratively.
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My concern that the league will end up making some excuse and do nothing comes from today's Bellichick press conference. This isn't the police investigating criminals, it's the NFL investigating a team that they're stuck with through thick and thin. To think the Patriots and the league haven't been in constant contact with each other through all this would be foolish. The Patriots aren't just sitting around in the dark waiting to see what happens. It's in the league's, the players', and the teams' best interest to contain the damage.
With that said, there's no such thing as an impromptu press conference by a head coach during something like this. Not only would Bellichick never call a press conference before conferring with the league first, it was probably their idea to begin with and they probably told him what to say.
Why does that matter? Because the league would never allow him to go out and deny all the allegations again, after "thorough testing" only to turn around a few days later and call him a liar and punish him. EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO, there's no way they could without causing the biggest scandal the sport has ever seen. I mean could you imagine the league and a coach going to war over something like that? We're talking federal courts, REAL lawsuits, etc.
So unless Bellichick has completely gone off the reservation and is about to start a real, judicial war against the league... the only other explanation is that the league asked him to get out in front of this thing a day or two before they announce they've found the Patriots innocent.
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Patriots apologists on a Bills message board make me sick. Pathetic bunch of battered wives.
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You guys just won't let it go. At the end of all this I think there's going to be a lot of embarassed people in the public eye who called them out as cheaters and liars, without any facts. Frankly, what Belichick said made sense. It made sense that he would insist on walking through the process so he could understand what happened, given the hoopla. In a nutshell he said the preparation process (vigorous rubbing) raises the PSI by about a pound. They are then provided to the officials who are asked to inflate to 12.5 PSI. All that done at room temp. Once out in game temps (colder), you lose not only the initial one pound due to prep, but also another half. So you can be down about one and a half pounds (to 11 PSI or so). I suspect this will be proven to be possible - depending on the ball prep process, and it is by far the most probable explanation. Why weren't the Colts balls low too? I have to say that's a stupid question. Maybe they don't heat up the ball temp as much when they prep the balls, if at all. Maybe they ask for their balls to be set at the high side (13.5 PSI).
lol get out of here with this crap.
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I make a motion to disallow the play-action pass. And roll outs, naked bootlegs, the stop and go, the flea flicker, the lateral. All of it. It's deception, and it's wrong.
To listen to the crybabies who get their butts kicked by NE for 15 years explains exactly why they have gotten beat down by Belichick for the length of this unquestioned historical run that may never be repeated. He's always one step ahead, and until teams (BUFFALO) stop crying about all their "trickery" and start scheming better, the past will most assuredly repeat itself. Getting called a Pats fan in 3....2.....1.......
Everything you just mentioned are plays. Trying to deceive the game by failing to report eligible receivers with enough time for the refs to notify the defense isn't a play. If it wasn't important for defenses to know who the eligible receivers were there wouldn't be a rule requiring the offense to report them, now would there?
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The Patriots have nobody to blame for this but themselves. You get caught cheating twice and every strategy, tactic, and play is going to be retroactively scrutinized by everyone. It doesn't matter of this kind of substitution is technically legal. Anything that goes against the spirit of Tue game and fair competition will be pointed out for the Patriots now. They lost their right to fly under the radar when it comes to the grey areas of football.
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Anyone that doubts the original study that was posted should read that whole wall street journal article.
Even Bill Nye thinks the Pats are Full of S***
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I just meant the whole "Did the weather cause it?" case should be closed now. Nobody should be trying to use that as an excuse anymore.