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    New England Patriots caught deflating game balls

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    Im not sure how many times i can repeat it before you get off the crusade of hearing what you want to hear

     

    1) we still do not know how many balls were under inflated

    2) we still do not know how under inflated any of them were

    3) we still do not know the effect of that under inflation

    4) we still do not know how commonplace it is

     

     

    ill say again, i think they probably were gaming the system here to get the balls to where they like them. i also think their stories are all over the place and just trying to avoid penalty. im not sure why you refuse to acknowledge the points 1-4 are still unsettled though.

    I don't need the league to make an official statement to consider it settled. There's a reason they put out leaks. We already know 11 of the balls were underinflated and that at least 1 was by 2 lbs. of pressure.

    New England Patriots caught deflating game balls

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    Maybe, but probably not.

     

    we can side step again if you want... but i havent denied its possible - in fact said it was likely that they manipulated the footballs. but that its effect and how rare it is are probably both being overstated.

    so maybe you are the one with the mind made up and ignoring half the discussion.

     

    Maybe but probably not. The "other half of the discussion" sounds like a few people trying(and failing) to dig for any valid excuse for the Patriots they can think of. The people arguing against you don't really need to dig for explanations because all the evidence suggests they're right.

    New England Patriots caught deflating game balls

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    1) there are several charts that the pats fumble less. in no way do they show that this is the CAUSE, simply that a lower rate of fumbles are present. Ive also seen a variety of stats absolutely butchered in this argument. you are the one making the jump without foundation.

     

    2) im sorry but i still dont believe a crying mark brunell more than other sources (perhaps leinart if you want the other side). Both sides exist. We have heard one team likes them more firm. we have heard players say its a non story. and have seen plenty of non-professionals say they cant even tell the balls apart, while posters here say "its like having a handle to hold onto"

     

     

    I think I'll stick with the direction that all the glaring evidence points rather than ignore it and desperately try to find any explanation that isn't the obvious answer that they cheated.

    New England Patriots caught deflating game balls

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by TheBillsWillRiseAgain

    There are several charts and graphs that have been posted suggesting that deflated balls gave the Patriots a large advantage in both bad weather passing and not fumbling the balls and they're based on real numbers. I didn't see any charts of graphs suggesting otherwise.


    We've also heard plenty of anecdotal evidence from ex-players of the NFL explaining that it's a big advantage. I haven't heard otherwise. And we've heard from the manufacturer of the ball itself state that the only way for a ball to lose that much PSI in that amount of time is putting it in a freezer or using a pump needle to deflate it.


    Every single piece of real evidence points to the Patriots having done this intentionally for several years at least, to them benefiting from it, and to them finally getting caught for it.

    New England Patriots caught deflating game balls

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by TheBillsWillRiseAgain

     

    I have, and its not a great advantage. The exaggeration of the impact of the PSI is off the charts. If the PSI is a GREAT advantage, why does the NFL have such a loose regulation and enforcement of the one thing on the field 100% of the time, the ball? If it matters as much as being exaggerated, why are the balls in control of the team at all after the ref inspects them? Its pretty easy to just put them in bin on each teams sideline that is accessible by refs only if the danger of a PSI being lower or higher creates a "great" advantage.

     

    This is a terrible argument. It provides zero facts, pure speculation(unless you've played in the NFL?), and suggests that the PSI of a ball can't give large advantage because the league isn't more strict about teams having access to the balls, which has NO basis whatsoever.

    Even Bill Nye thinks the Pats are Full of S***

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    So far the arguments are:

    1. The weather/atmosphere did it.

     

    The manufacturer of the football gave a statement saying there was no way for that much air to leave the football without putting it in a freezer or using a pump needle to remove it.

     

    2. Tom Brady likes the ball at the minimum levels and Luck likes them at the max levels, so they both lost air but the Colts' balls were still in the allowed range because of a higher starting pressure.

     

    If true, Tom Brady certainly wouldn't be the only QB in the league to like the balls filled to the minimum levels, and he's definitely not the only QB to play games in cold weather. Are you trying to tell me that nobody ever noticed the balls being under the acceptable range in any of the cold weather games of the past few seasons?

     

    3. The deflation was caused by the cold weather that particular day

     

    Then why did it also happen in the November Colts/Patriots game? And the Patriots/Ravens game?

     

    We have teams complaining on at least 3 separate occasions that the Patriots' balls were under inflated.

     

    We have statistics that show the Patriots fumbling(or rather not fumbling) at a highly abnormal rate compared to the rest of the league over the past 4 years

     

    We have statistics that show Brady's yards-per-attempt have been abnormal compared to other QBs for the past 4 years

     

    We have the fact that the Patriots were caught outright cheating in 2007 and punished by the league

     

    We have a Head Coach saying he's never heard of or talked about ball pressure with anyone in his career

     

    We have a 17th year QB claiming he's never once squeezed a football to check the air pressure

     

    Seems pretty obvious to me.

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