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1 hour ago, the skycap said:
This would be a cool draft except I don't think Lamar makes it past Arizona
He likely does in this mock since he has Arizona trading up to #4 to take Rosen. The key in this mock is that both Giants and Denver pass on QB prospects. I'm not sure how likely it is that both pass on QBs.
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If the Giants stay at #2 and draft a DE rather than trade out and receive a bounty of picks then they are truly dumb. Giants will take a QB or trade the pick.
5 hours ago, Tsaikotic said:How could we not have a better offer to Brown's @4 then Arizona? Or do see Bills not even trying to get to #4 with Rosen sitting there?
That has to be it.
Only other explanation is the Browns rather send Rosen to an NFC team than a AFC team. Kind of hedge their bets in-case Rosen becomes a franchise guy.
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Just seems like too many hoops to jump through with no guarantee you actually get #2. What if we jump up to #4 but the Giants don't want to deal? Does Beane have a 3rd or 4th quaterback he is okay trading up for?
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33 minutes ago, Lurker said:
IIRC, Big Ben was a much more accomplished prospect than Allen, with twice the passing yards and nearly double the TDs...
Allen:
Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Good God those numbers look bad for Allen. Dude will either be the biggest bust ever drafted on potential alone or the biggest steal ever.
4 minutes ago, kdiggz said:I think...
1. Darnold
2. Chubb
3. Rosen
4. Barkley
5. Mayfield
QBs will go 1 and 2. Probably 1,2,3 actually. Just looks unlikely it will be the Bills jumping up to #2.
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35 minutes ago, Meazy26 said:
If the Giants turndown a significant package to draft Chubb, they’d be dumb. Can’t see that happening. Chubb talk is overblown.
I'm feeling the same way. #2 will be either QB or Barkley. Giants could stay at two and take either. But staying at #2 and drafting Chubb doesn't make sense considering the haul of picks they could get for #2. Chubb may be a great player but would he be better than #12, #22 and a 2019 1st round pick?
Also, I could see the Giants trading with Denver to #5. That still puts them ahead of the Colts. In that situation they potentially land a 20191st round pick (steep price for Denver to pay but if the bidding gets hot it could happen) and still land Chubb at #5.
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I wouldn't call the Eagles until we have used both first round picks. We shouldn't give up a first for Foles. I also see this as less likely since we have AJ now.
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1 hour ago, xRUSHx said:
IMO Rudolph is not a wasted pick, I would be fine with Rudolph at 12. He is a pocket QB exactly what we have all wanted, not top 3 QB but IMO #4. Sadly I can see some other team taking him and then being stuck with Allen/Jackson who are 2nd rounders IMO.
Does Rudolph compare well with Dereck Carr? I wouldn't mind rolling the dice with someone with similar talents as Carr.
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:
The Rams and Eagles say otherwise. You get your QB when you can.
With that said this is a deep QB class and who knows what can happen.
The 2016 draft and 2018 draft are not really comparable because 2016 had only two viable first round QB options. Goff and Wentz went one and two overall. I really don't see either of those guys as better prospects than Darnold and Rosen. Throw in Allen, Mayfield and Jackson and this QB class could be the perfect one to not trade a ton of picks for a franchise QB.
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8 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
I think Gettleman has been asking for that all along. No problem with Beane doing his dilegance and finding out if the guy they like is worth it. There are multiple qbs as well. How do they rate Jackson to there number 1 guy? If its close take him and keep 100% of their picks.
Yeah. Even the price for the Jets to move from #3 to #2 to ensure they get the second QB off the board is going to be extremely pricey as well IMO. That's if the Giants are all in at Barkley and or okay with dealing with the Jets. I would expect it to be much more than what the Bears gave up to the 49ers last year.
2 minutes ago, terrytate said:That is why i think if we want to get to 4 we have to get to 6 first. If we get to 6 There is a chance barkley could slip past denver, all we would have to do is beat Denver's offer.
I have a feeling Beane has an interest in only Darnold and Rosen. Just pure speculation on my part. But if that is the case he has no desire to get to #4 or even #3 before the draft. He'll have to wait and see where Darnold or Rosen end up and if one is available at #4 then you make a deal for #4 if you can. Or just keep working the phones with Cleveland and NY Giants for #1 or #2.
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7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:
The Jets front office is acting like they’re on dope this off season.
It just doesn’t look like they thought this whole thing out very well.
Those are some really good points. Jets are certainly all over the map this off-season. I think the Bridgewater signing is the most puzzling as you pointed too. At the end of the day though, the Jets might land a franchise QB which would suck. I'm really hoping they draft Allen and don't land Rosen or Mayfield. Mayfield in particular seems like a guy that could shine and play with swagger in New York. I have no desire to see Mayfield grab his nuts twice a year as he walks off the field in victory over the Bills.
5 hours ago, terrytate said:4 is going to be the only spot open for a trade.
I see the board going like this
1. Darnold
2. Rosen
3. Allen
4. Mayfield
Someone will trade up for mayfield.
In that scenario the Broncos trade up one spot with the Browns to ensure they land Mayfield and the Browns move back one spot and still get the guy they wanted all along in Barkley. That would be a terrific hall for the Browns. And with so many picks on day two and three of the draft I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Browns trade back into the first round to go for quality over quantity. Could be looking at the Browns selecting three players in the first round.
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1 hour ago, BigDingus said:
or are forced to trade away a King's Ransom to trade with the Giants & get ahead of the Jets.... None of this looks good.
It was going to cost a team a King's Ransom to get to two regardless of this recent trade. That was always the case. IF the Giants don't take a QB themselves they will likely shake down the Jets for a couple more draft picks just to move one spot up.
Colts did the right thing. They are guaranteed their guy still at six and picked up three second round picks. McBeane could have offered 3000 points in draft picks and it still wouldn't have been enough because of the simple fact that the Colts would be at 12 and they would miss out on their target.
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2 minutes ago, jtrip said:
Mark my words: Bills will move to 2nd before the draft and on draft day swap with Cleveland. Bills get the #1 QB and Cleveland takes the RB. End of story. Thank me later !
Have had a gut feeling we somehow end up with the 1st overall too. Could be a draft day trade from #2 to #1. The difficulty will be getting to #2 though before the draft.
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18 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:
We’re not trading for the Giants pick now. If Beane wouldn’t pay the price for the 3rd pick there is no way he’s going to get raped to move up to the 2nd pick. T
Not necessarily true. Beane might only like two QBs at the top of the draft. If that is the case you can't trade up to #3. Jets are basically telling everyone that they have a top 3 that they like regardless of the order the QBs are taken. I still think we got to try to get to #7 or #8 or possibly #4 to make trading with the Giants for #2 more attractive. Giants might not want to fall all the way to #12 regardless of what we are offering to give up.
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11 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:
I think we might be looking at Rudolph or 2nd tier guys now. The Jets F'ed up the price. They gave up a 1st and 3 2nd round picks to move up just 3 spots. With that kind of price to pay, now the Giants are going to command a damn fortune. I'm not happy about this at all. As I said late last week, teams like Denver and the Jets offer more value because the Giants and the Colts can still get their guy and "rape" them for picks. That's exactly what happened here. The Colts are still going to get Chubb if that's who they want and they just stacked the deck.
Yeah. That's why we needed or still need to try to work a deal to #7 or #8. That way if we trade to #1 or #2 the Browns or Giants can still get an elite player that will fall with all the Qbs being taken in the top 5.
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10 minutes ago, f0neguy said:
And we know the Jets want the same guy as the Bills, right? If Beane really wants to get to #2 it'll be expensive but should be possible. Trust the process, back away from the ledge.
I'm guessing similar to when Goff and Wentz came out we probably like two guys at minimum in this draft. Eagles traded up to #2 knowing they would get one of the two and that was fine with them.
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11 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
That’s why you don’t wait until draft day
I don't think that has ever been the plan. My guess is Beane is shooting for #1 or #2 before draft day.
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8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
That’s a giant price to pay
Does seem a little steep considering the Colts are only dropping back 3 spots. Bills would have given up the same plus the #22 pick at minimum. But at the end of the day you got to give up whatever you have to if you believe in your guy. Hopefully we work something out for #1 or #2 still.
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If we move up to #3 before the draft. That's a signal IMO that Beane has a clear top 3 and we are likely to stay put at 3 and take whoever comes to us. I would assume the top three in no particular order would be Rosen, Darnold and Allen. I'd prefer Mayfield over Allen, but I don't think Mayfield is a Beane kind of prospect.
If on the other hand, Beane has only a top two, say Rosen and Darnold, I think he tries like hell to move up to #2 or #1 before the draft. And that would signal to me that he does not like Allen.
All speculation of course.
On 3/13/2018 at 7:09 AM, BillsFan17 said:If Darnold and say Rosen or Allen go first and second. Either by the teams originally drafting there or via trade, are the Bills going to be okay taking not their #1 guy?
Meaning, Buffalo has to get to #2 at the very least. Three or four are too big of a risk.
I suspect Beane has a #1 guy. But I think he has a top three he is very comfortable taking. And if that is the case, he may not sell the farm to get to #1 or #2. Not sure he feels the same way about the top four though.
Anyone think we trade up to #7 (Tampa) or #8 (Chicago) in the coming days? What this does is it enables us to trade to #2 or #3 and the Giants or Colts can still draft in the top 10. Could be appealing to them if they still want to get an elite prospect.
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Do we really have a big hole at CB3?
It's not expected that you have a starting caliber CB at CB3. I think out starting secondary is good enough that I don't see CB3 as a glaring weakness.
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We need to find a Goodwin from another team. One teams trash is another teams treasure.
2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:Mike Wallace i guess. I'd pass tho
Maclin is fast no?
Too old.
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The above is an article from last summer as NBA Free Agency was going on. There are probably more but that was the first one i found. At the time I remember there was a lot of conversation about 1. NBA players getting ridiculously sized contracts and some NFL players voicing their jealousy. and 2. The NBA off-season/free agency was much more exciting then the NFL off-season and free agency.
Fast forward to this year and with out question this has been the most dramatic beginning to an NFL Free Agency period that I can recall. And we haven't even actually started Free Agency yet.
It begs the question. Were NFL execs listening to some of the criticism from the media regarding the NBA having a greater free agency period last summer? Is it possible the commissioner sent a memo to owners and GMs to be more active?
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I don't buy into the narrative that their are no top QBs in this draft like previous drafts. I think the issue is that their are legitimately 4-5 that all have similar grades which drives the narrative that we don't know who is the best of the bunch and therefore there must mean there are no top QBs. If this was your typical year that only has two top QBs then any of the two would be considered the obvious number 1 and number 2 picks. Selecting franchise QBs in the draft is not an exact science. You just never know what you are going to get. I don't see how these 4-5 prospects are any worst than Goff and Wentz two years ago. Or Winston and Marriota a couple years before that. But since those drafts only had two top QBs it made it appear as if things were more clear and straightforward.
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31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I actually think Cleveland fans will have a more positive opinion of him. They've gone 1-31 with truly awful QB play. There haven't been any bright spots so Tyrod will give them that. And they know he's just a placeholder for their franchise QB.
Exactly this. Think of our QB purgatory. Multiply that by 100 and you have Cleveland's QB purgatory. I means seriously. Their one bright spot was Hoyer starting like 7 games one year before he was injured? That is a QB hell we haven't even experienced.
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Browns will draft a top rookie QB so I don't really see this message from Sal as relevant. We had Taylor and nobody else at the position. Browns will have Taylor and a future franchise QB. That makes things look a lot greener. The moment Taylor's shine starts to where off they just put the rookie or second year QB in. But it very well may take a while for that shine to wear off because we are talking about the Browns here. The only team more starved for a franchise QB than we are. We held onto guys like Fitz and Taylor for too long because we loved their flashes of greatness and overall average QB play. Assuming Taylor plays like he did over the three years he was here with us. Browns fans will love Taylor at least for year one.
9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:Season 1 they will love him.
If he stays for longer
Season 2 they will start to wonder who he really is.
Season 3 they will know who he really is.
Didn't see your post before I posted mine. Exactly what i posted about season one. We did the same thing with Fitz and Taylor. Browns will be fine and they'll actually have a future QB behind Taylor. Something we never had.
1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:You might want to let go of that. We are talking about the present and future.
Until proven otherwise the present and the future is that QB that threw 5 picks in one half.
EJ Gaines Signs with the Browns for 1 Year at $4M
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I think they stay at #4 and get either Chubb or Barkely. One of the two is guaranteed to be there. Browns had a lot of draft selections last year and again have a lot this year. I don't see the value in them gaining more picks. They need quality over quantity in this draft.