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Allen might not ever be a 4000 yard passer. And that could be just fine. The two comparisons we should be looking at with Allen are Mike Vick and Cam Newton. Between the two of them they have about 17 combined seasons as a starting QB in the NFL. They have combined to throw for over 4000 yards in only one season, Newton's rookie year. Going even further, in all those seasons, they have combined to throw for over 3500 yards only 4 times. Vick threw for over 3000 only twice in his career. Vick missed a lot more games then Cam due to injuries I assume. Both Vick and Newton, have career pass completion percentages below 60%. 56% for Vick and 59.7% for Cam. They both averaged about 7.5 rushes per game. Allen averaged 8.0 this season. Now we don't know what year two will hold. Allen and the Bills could make a concentrated effort to cut his running waaay back. Or they could continue to just let him play naturally. But assuming Allen rushes just a bit less but still 7 times a game for say 7.0 ypc he would rack up 784 yards on the season. So I would estimate his rushing yards to be somewhere between 720-860 yards on the season. Allen averaged 207 passing yards per game in his final six games. That would come out to 3,300 yards on a season. I'm hoping that is the floor for Allen next year. I'd say he throws for between 3,300 and 3,800 yards.

Some hyperbole in my statement obviously. But the overall point is that there wasn't really anything to be excited about after the first six games. If his last six games were just like his first six games 90% of the board would be talking about firing all the coaches and drafting another QB early. He really progressed in his last six games and showed why he was taken #7 overall. Yeah, I wast thinking floor a combination of Ozweiler/Bortles. His ceiling seems limitless now. Some sort of mix between Big Ben and Cam Newton with the legs of Kaepernick.

Same here. Complete 180 since the bye week and injury. Was happy after the Vikings game but then the Packers, Titans and Texans games were duds. And I thought this who Josh is. He just won't ever get it.

His conversion percentage is 100% I think. And he nearly broke one of them against the Jets for a possible 30+yard gain if he wasn't tackled by the shoestring. I think it works on first or second down but third or fourth down situations it's just too obvious.

I'll say this about Rosen, and I didn't catch any Arizona games at all this year really, compliments to him for just staying healthy the entire year. He took a ton of sacks and who knows how many more hits. He was thought of as being the most fragile but he was able to stay on the field. Not meant as a knock to any other QB, just something that I think is actually a positive if you are a Cardinals fan.

None of us did. I don't think there was any reason for us to believe he would be this prolific of a runner. He wasn't even this good a runner at the college level I don't think. It's remarkable what he did in the final six games. And he has two highlight reel plays that show his athleticism. Plays I have never seen a QB make. The hurdle over Barr and the juke and subsequent use of Kiko as a lead blocker. Here is another look at how he compares to the greatest rushing QB of all time, Mike Vick. Vick's two best six game rushing streaks in his career: 2004- 60 rushes 504 yards 8.4 ypc 1 TD 2006- 63 rushes 488 yards 7.7 ypc 0 TDs Josh Allen 2018- 54 rushes 476 yards 8.8 ypc 5 TDs After just reviewing the game logs of guys like Newton and RGIII i believe Allen's total of 476 yards in the third highest total in league history. And it is arguably better than Vicks when you consider the higher ypc and 5 TDs. The Detroit game was the only game I was not able to watch this year. I'm curious how Detroit was able to put the clamps on Allen in that game. 9 rushes for only 16 yards. I think there may have been a couple kneel downs in that game but still 16 yards is nothing for Josh.

Yes. 1. His athleticism was greatly underrated. Everyone said he was an athlete but none of us knew he was this much of an athlete. I think only Mike Vick has a more prolific six consecutive game rushing streak. Not Newton, not RGIII, not Kaepernick. 2. He showed progress as a passer in his first season. Six games before the bye week: 2 TDs / 5 INTs 21 sacks. Six games after the bye week: 8 TDs / 7 INTs only 7 sacks. The better awareness is obvious in the huge drop off in sacks taken. And he also learned how and when to use his legs after the bye.

Jackson's problem is that his current playing style and the way the Ravens are using him is likely not sustainable. Allen is finding the right spots to run. Especially since the bye week. That is why he is averaging an insane 8.8 ypc in his six games since the bye and coming back from the injury. He's doing this while still playing primarily as a QB. This should help him develop as a passer even faster than Jackson who is running nearly as much as he throws in some games. In his seven games Jackson has never thrown the ball more than 25 times. Allen has thrown the ball fewer than 25 times only once in his last six games. He's thrown it over 30 times 3 times including 41 times against the Patriots. And Allen has been hands down the more dynamic and efficient runner to close the season. The numbers aren't even close. Allen's averages in his final six games: 9 rushes 8.8ypc 476 yards 5TDs and only 4 fumbles and 7 sacks Since Jackson has started seven games, lets throw out his worst rushing game of the season, two weeks ago against the chargers where he was sacked 3 times, failed to score, fumbled the ball and carried the ball 13 times for 39 yards and 3.0ypc. His six game averages throwing out his worst game: 17.6 rushes 4.9ypc 517 yards 4 TDs and 9 fumbles and 12 sacks Keep in mind Allen has converted probably close to a half dozen 3rd/4th and 1's and multiple kneel downs. His yards per rush could probably be closer to 11.0 if we took out the kneel downs and short yardage conversions. Of course Jackson has probably had similar situations too I just don't know for sure and how many.

OP has the stats wrong. Gonna have to redo this one. Especially since yesterday was Allen's best game of the season and one of Darnold's worst.

I would categorize Allen as the same. He's only been running 9 times a game since he came back from the injury. Less actually because there are at least 5 kneel downs I think in that total. Compare that to Lamar Jackson who is running nearly twice as much as Allen.

I think he has done a great job of protecting himself on his runs. The only time he takes a beating is when he is trying to score a TD. That's understandable when you are trying to make a play at the goal line. Otherwise he does a great job of sliding. He often slides early and gives up yards. Where he is getting killed at times is inside the pocket.

I'd say it is: 1. Mayfield 2. Darnold/Allen (tie) 3. Jackson 4. Rosen Long term I probably like Rosen's odds of overtaking Jackson. But Rosen does have bigger bust potential. Jackson will always have a place on a roster due to his athletic ability alone. But as a legitimate franchise QB you just can't look to run as much as he does and expect to be successful long term. Allen isn't in the same boat as Jackson. Allen is a mobile QB but not a guy that looks to run first and run often. Allen might just be the most mobile QB we have ever seen. I think ranking Darnold and Allen as a tie right now is the most accurate thing to do. I believe they both have the same number of wins on the season. Both on pretty bad teams. Darnold was the better passer but that was expected. Allen's mobility really exceeded expectations. And I think Allen played noticeably better in the second half of the season compared to his first so it is easier to project him as playing better overall next year. It seemed like Darnold was about even in his up and down games from start to finish.

LOL. okay. Why are you so defensive about Allen not being a "stud" this season? I mean a QB should at least throw more TD's than INTs on the season to earn that nod. Or complete more than 50% of his passes. The funny thing is I LOVE Allen. I think he is going to be an absolute stud for us in the future. But I set a higher bar than you i guess. Allen absolutely was as stud as a runner no question. But I'm sure he would be the first one to tell you he needs to become a stud in the passing game.

And if he played the RB or WR position that would be a great thing. At the QB position though being 80% of the offense doesn't automatically mean you had a great year. You have to take into account more than that. Josh is on the right track. He should make this list next year as we project him to have more games like this one next year.

We are talking about studs for the entire 2018 season. If this was studs for one game, of course he would make the list.

He just misses IMO. The bar should be set high for that position. He was unbelievable running the ball this year. Stud for sure. But the QB position is a lot more than that as we know. Depending on how he develops in the off-season, we might look back at his rookie year and see that he had set career highs in rushing yards and TDs his first season. And that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Although, given the fact that he missed about 5 games I wouldn't be shocked to see him reach or surpass these numbers again.

Foster deserves a nod for sure.

Allen is finding ways to win games while completing 50% of his passes on the season and having next to no support in the running game, questionable offensive line and young inexperienced receivers. If he is this good already with those circumstances wait till the surroundings get better and he is able to complete 58% of his passes. The kid is going to win a lot of games for us in the future. I'm not sure he'll ever need to completed 62%+ on the season to get us to the playoffs consistently. 60% would be nice and should be a goal. But honestly, even just 58-59% could mean 3 or 4 more wins on the season with his talent.

Nice. So are you positive for the week? Definitely sweated it out.

Got a push on the parlay with Texans +2 reducing it to a three team payout instead of four. Everything else hit. Buying the extra half point on the Texans worked out.

I get how the payouts could be better but I'm not sure I could handle going weeks without hitting on a single bet. My strategy has been to play a 2-5 team parlay every week. That is how I get the chance for a big return. Basically all the straight wagers I make I also place a parlay on them.

Well the 2018 season is nearing an end. Sucks because I was just getting into betting on the NFL. No way can I bet on other sports. For the season I am 26-14 on my straight bet wagers. 65% Have hit my last four. I stopped doing teasers weeks ago because I was 0-4 on them. This week I have: Texans +2.5 Bills +13.5 Ravens +5.5 Redskins +11 And a parlay of Ravens +4.5, Bills +12.5, Texans +2, Redskins +10 For the individual straight bets I have been buying as many points as the sportbook allows so that is why the spreads are different than the parlay. That worked out last week when i had the Jets +8 it paid out where as my parlay got a push at +7. When we played the Pats earlier in the year I took the Patriots giving 13.5 now I am taking the other side of that bet. Allen and the Bills haven't let a game get out of hand yet since he came back from injury. And I don't think it matters much that this game is in New England instead of Buffalo. Do you only do ML's? You should maybe try switching to spreads. You were close on a lot of those ML's you posted including the earlier ones posted but they ended up losing in the end.

For whatever reason McCoy seems to have more fame and name recognition than James and other really good RBs. James has great numbers for a RB. I would have thought he should be in already. But it seems like he might not get in, ever. I wouldn't be shocked if McCoy got in before James but I do agree with the thought that James should get in before McCoy just based on McCoy's current stats vs James. Edge had far more seasons than McCoy at an elite level. Another guy who is underrated is Tiki Barber. I believe Barber actually has more yards from scrimmage than Edge. Like Edge, he has three 2,000+ yards from scrimmage seasons. McCoy only has one. But Barber's three seasons all came in the last three years of his career. He literally retired at his peak even though he was 31 in his last season. It's entirely possibly he could have had some insanely good numbers had he played at the age of 32-33.

I thought it was first reported at the trade deadline. My questions would be who approached who and who really wanted to make a deal? My guess is that the Rams approached Beane and were the ones who really wanted to get a deal for Hughes. This would suggest that while Beane had some interest, he's not necessarily shopping Hughes and actively looking for a replacement.

I could be wrong but I think it is rare for QBs, playing or retired, to be negative or overly critical of other QBs. Probably a QB fraternity type deal. It's kind of like Gruden on MNF salivating over anyone behind center.