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As So Tier pointed out, he isn't even Top 8, Top 9 when you include Newsome. So how is he in the conversation for Top 5? Who care's what the pundits say. You don't get a pat on the back for winning six games in this league. That is not some remarkable achievement. We have fielded a ton of bad teams over the last 18 years or so and despite that, only twice I think we loss fewer than 6 games. Beane might have a different approach than previous GM's and maybe that is what will lead him to long-term success. But in the short term he is no better than any of the other GM's we have had. He's literally had one full season that ended in six wins. All the new free agent pieces are pure speculation as to how they will perform. If we were to get to the playoffs in Josh Allen's second year I would have to say that would be a huge success. No matter how we made it and even if we got our doors blown off in the WC game. Nobody can be realistically expecting playoffs next year.

Thank you! Great list. You obviously know your GM's far more than I or at least took sometime to look into them.

I hear you. Just looking at the short term. The last 3-4 years player personnel has been great for Dallas. Don't know if it is Jerry, his son or someone else but can't argue with that success.

I don't know most GM's by name so probably not but I can try. Bill Belicheck Sean Payton (think he is the GM) Andy Reid ( i think all these coaches are also GM's or have final say) Jerry Jones (guy gets ripped a ton and deservedely so in the past, but Dallas has a heck of a defense now and some nice young talent in Dak and Zeke if the o-line can heal up they will be contenders) Rams GM Browns GM There is six. Without really thinking about it. But can you answer me what he has accomplished? If he is top 5 in your mind without accomplishing anything then it is a meaningless achievement to be in the top 5.

That is also code for not really bringing in anyone with real all-pro level talent. Besides our new center, everyone else is average at best. Brown, Beasely, Kroft, none of these guys were going to be highly paid because they were not highly coveted. It is great that financial we are in good shape. But also, may need that flexibility if these free agents flame out.

If Beane is considered top 5 then it is pretty much a meaningless accomplishment since Beane's accomplishment's thus far are none in terms of W's. The next few seasons and whether we either become a consistent winner or Allen becomes a franchise QB will determine if Beane is a success as a GM. Either one of those happening will make Beane a top GM. Sure Beane was here for a 9-7 playoff year but that was with mostly players Whaley, Rex and McDermott had brought in. Beane's biggest contribution that year was bringing in KB. Not exactly a great move. Was Beane even here for that draft? I didn't think he was.

Way too soon for this thread.

Are those lighting bolts on the sleeve?

True. But Tim Tebow was fiery and competitive too. I'm glad Allen turned a 180 after his injury and started to ball out. Like Moorman4jesus, for me, at the time, Allen was the one QB above all that I did not want the Bills to draft.

Zerovolts with an extra dose of sarcasm. The Dude confused on who's still on the board. I don't remember what I posted but i think it was tame disappointment. As most everyone else, I've done a complete 180. I'd be more interested on what people thought of Allen before he came back from his injury. I didn't really change my opinion until the Jaguar/Miami games after his injury.

So basically you would have roasted him then if you were posting here at the time.

Of course Cam is a good comparison. Right now, Allen's use of his legs is a major part of his game. And a major part of his success. Even in Ben's more youthful and slimmer days he was never a real threat to run in the way Cam and Allen are. And Ben was 62%+ completion his first two years in the league. I think a part of Allen's accuracy issues comes from his use of his legs as a runner. He gets gassed at times. The end of the first Miami game was a perfect example of this. This is something we often see from Cam Newton in games too. That said, I do see Allen as having greater potential as a passer than Cam. But he has to work on it still. And I hope he doesn't stop using his legs because he is terrific threat in that regard. Even if we have to take some of the bad with the good along the way.

My bad. I missed that so my sarcasm meter was not properly calibrated.

He better up that 3.7 ypc Three years in the league and his trend is not good. 2016-5.2ypc 2017-4.1ypc 2018-3.7ypc That is a steep decline for a guy that is only 24 years old.

Not ridiculous at all Doc. It is an honest question. Players are still going to have to block in this situation where they find themselves peeling back towards their goaline. So how do they do that? Why wouldn't throwing a chest block or hand block work? It appears legal under the rules and won't be as forceful as launching your head, shoulder or forearm. Receivers use two hands two block all the time off the line of scrimmage. Why wouldn't they use two hands two block in this situation? Do you have a better blocking alternative?

What do you coach your players to do now? Sort of just run into the player with your chest? Extend two hands out?

I agree. I'm confident Newton would fit the majority of those definitions too.

He does indeed. In fact, a strong argument can be made that he's better than all of them as a runner. A little while back, I looked at the greatest six game rushing streaks by QB's. I think I only looked at Vick, RGIII and Newton assuming those three guys would be the obvious front runners. Allen' s six game span to end the season blew away any six game streak RGIII and Cam had. Meanwhile, VIck had only one six game streak that could have an argument for or against it being as good or better than Allen's. I think Vick had more yards but slightly lower ypc and much fewer TD's. But it would be unfair to anoint him that just yet with such a small sample size. And the fun thing about Allen, he's a guy that still wants to play the game like Brett Favre. He wants to be a gunslinger. I wouldn't say the same thing about Vick, RGIII and Cam. Combine the gunslinger mentality with his crazy athleticism and you potentially have a very special QB. One we haven't seen before which will make it hard to judge him by traditional statistic's. You can't just say, well his stats need to improve to XYZ for him to be good.

To the point of Cam Newton. He absolutely is a franchise QB. You can be inconsistent and fail to live up to your full expectations and still be a franchise QB. Perhaps that is the category that Cam fits into. I understand there is not a rock solid definition of a franchise QB, but I have a hard time seeing how Cam would not fit most or nearly all definitions of one. The fact that he has been the starting QB for the same team for 8 consecutive seasons is in itself the most simplistic measure that tells us he is a franchise QB. Regardless of how he has played. Throw in an MVP season, playoff success, regular season success. The guy is without a doubt a franchise QB. Inconsistent? Yes. Playoffs in three out of his eight seasons tells us that. Not ideal, but also not terrible considering the Super Bowl run and the fact that he's played in a division with two other super bowl contending teams in Atlanta and New Orleans over those eight seasons. This is not a case of the Colts under Manning beating up on poor AFC South teams or the Patriots beating up on poor AFC East teams over the last 18 years. We can debate if Cam's run as a franchise QB is coming to an end. That is a fair discussion. Flacco was a franchise guy at one point too and is obviously not anymore. Some QB's stay at that level longer than other. Some ridiculously long like Brady. But based on his last season, I certainly would not right Cam off yet. We can also debate if his use as a runner will lead to a shorter peak as a franchise QB. Probably, not much of a debate. It likely will. And Allen may be on the same trajectory. We did see Newton put up some of his best passing numbers of his career in his eighth season though so perhaps his game is evolving in a good way as he ages. The same could happen for Allen down the road. I am also not a fan of Cam's attitude, leadership, and perhaps work ethic and film study. But, IMO, Allen does not share those traits with Newton. Because Allen on the surface appears to be a better leader and have a better work ethic I think he has a chance to be even better than Newton. They certainly share similar physical traits and athletic ability.

Cam Newton?

What did Benjamin do when he went to the Cheifs and got to play with the league MVP? Tell me again how he is not washed up. I don't care what he did in 2013-2014. What did he do last year? Or even the year before?

A mix of Cam Newton and Brett Favre really is a good comparison.

First off, Wentz not having Allen's mobility and athletic ability is a negative for Wentz. Not Allen. Not sure why you bring it up. Allen's sack % improved greatly over his final six games. But I guess that is because he played Miami twice in your opinion and we should expect him to have a sack% over 6% again next year? Allen improved as his rookie season went on. Wentz regressed from him first four games. That's a fact.

So just because Ertz is a TE that disqualifies him as a receiver? I guess all those TD's Brady threw to Gronk don't count? Your logic is ridiculous here.

I agree. Allen's best comparison is Cam Newton. With the exception of last year, his 8th season in the NFL, Cam is a low completion percentage QB. And obviously, they are both significant run threats. Wentz and Allen have nearly identical physical measurable's but that is where it ends. Despite the nearly identical physical measurable's Allen is clearly far more gifted athletically than Wentz.