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I agree. I think the Phins are doing this to hurt the Bills but in reality it may save them because there may be more attractive destinations that can be more flexible with how they structure the deal given we only have 15 mill cap space left and still want to get Harvin in as well as Clay. I would be more worried if the tag is rescinded.

No matter your ego it can't feel good to be a pawn in another persons game. Correct. Value to us isn't the same as value to a team that doesn't value a more hybrid tight end role. I think he will match whatever contract we give him with production. He will be a main piece in the misdirection Roman wants in his offense.

If they rescind the tag then he is an UFA. Then we have to compete with everyone.

I don't believe we do. But they do have more cap saving moves they can make. I would want to call there bluff. I think it's just a rival trying to make it harder for us ploy. Nothing more. I agree with you. Just offer an unfriendly deal in year 1, which we have room for. It doesn't have to be 10 + Mill as some have suggested. I don't think Miami will match anything 7+.

They can rescind the transition tag before Clay signs if it looks like no one will make an offer. But they want to force us to structure an unfriendly deal so they won't, yet.

I F5'd to read a post telling me to F5.

He doesn't want to disappoint anyone.

This. It's been done before for longer threads. Multiple threads only matter if they are all open. This one should be locked if the newer one is meant to replace it.

We still have the edge in this, I believe. Miami is just doing what they can to make it hard for us. Drag out Suh's contract. Drag out Clay offer / no offer for a long term contract. Drag out the Jordan Cameron deal as far as they could. All so we have to prepare, update and re update the offer we've had in the works for Clay. Effectively tying up our organizations focus on Clay. I still think we'll get both Clay and Harvin. But not without Miami making us really work for it.

I think he means if they take the Browns tight end, after they were reserved at losing Clay, that they will then be forced to heavily pursue Clay more so than they have. Make a stronger push. Forcing more of a bidding war between the Bills and Browns. The competing teams. In turn hurting the Bills.

Yes, I agree. Although I would not have made this trade I can't bash it either. It's too early. I'm excited to see how Shady will work in this offense. Although I am dissappointed I wont see Brown, Bradham and Kiko line up together.

Thanks for sharing.

I meant to say brink of extinction and apologize for that. But he was not a major factor in the american Bison making its return from that brink of extinction that he contributed to. His legacy, whether fairly applied or not, was that he helped cause the near extinction of the animal.

Anyone can throw quotes from Wikipedia onto a forum to call someone out. Good job. "Cody is purported to have killed 4,282 American bison (commonly known as buffalo) in eighteen months, (1867–1868)." Cody, Col. William F: The Adventures of Buffalo Bill Cody, 1st ed. page viii. New York and London: Harper & Brother, 1904 But for some reason I think his actions showed differently than his support and talk for conservation.

I cannot find the video anymore but there was a video pertaining to the history of the Bills. It talked about the logo and the name. One of the things stated that the origin for our current name was taken from a possibility of scenarios. One of them that was more compelling was that it was not at all related to Wild Bill Cody. But that is the easiest explanation and the one national media likes to blast as hypocritical although it may not be true. I love the Bills Logo and think that judging it because it is not representative of Wild Bill Cody is stupid. Wild Bill Cody helped decimate the Bison population and drive it to the brink of extinction. At times the organization has tried to distance themselves from that figure for that reason. Would we really want to incite more criticism by associating the name clearly to Wild Bill Cody by using him in the logo or using him killing a Buffalo?

This

This.

This is silly.

I am sure there were discussions about this (Regarding 1 and 4) but I doubt anything is finalized prior to him signing a deal

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The funny thing I find is the lack of understanding to the plan to begin with and how we royally screwed this young man in his first year. EJ was touted as the highest ceiling among quarterbacks in a poor class. It was fairly known that at least one other team had him highly rated. Possibly even first round and the team most connected was Philadelphia. I never heard anyone say, prior to the draft, he was ready to play as a rookie. He was supposed to sit for a year if not two to refine his mechanics and footwork as well as learn the speed of the pro game and differences from college. I had a huge issue with this coaching staff for not having a quarterbacks coach during his rookie season. How you can decide to forgo that coaching position when you have a raw rookie that you just spent a first round pick on and is supposed to become the face of your franchise is beyond me. The reason touted, of not wanting anything lost in translation between Hackett and the quarterbacks, was reasonable but in no way important enough to stunt the learning of your franchise quarterback. The plan was to have EJ sit behind an injury prone journeyman quarterback was also foolish. If it worked to plan it may have been beneficial but that plan has a high likelihood of the skipper crash and burning and thrusting poor EJ to the fire prematurely. Then EJ has an injury plagued rookie season in which he is not able to get into any sort of routine and it was evident. He had a few good games but many more ineffective rookie mistake filled games. This year it seemed EJ did progress. He looked good to start. We started 2-0 with a good defense and strong running game behind a sub par o-line. The next two games our running game disappeared. Our o-line lost Williams who wasn't great but was still better than anything that replaced him for the rest of the season. EJ was overwhelmed. He was being coached to play risk free. And he was getting pressure from our turnstile of guards on a lot of drop backs quicker than he should had. Our genius of an offensive coordinator had him throw 39 times and 44 times in those two subsequent losses. We never should have put him in that position. Him being benched and being able to develop his mechanics and footwork as well as his benching teaching him that sometimes he has to let it go regardless of risk and trust himself is probably the best thing for him. As a Bills fan I can only hope he's learned and improved because if he does reach his potential then we have a franchise quarterback. If he doesn't show improvement then there's many more factors than just EJ we can point to that may have contributed to his failure. And this offensive coaching staffs hubris of trying to do too much to begin with could be front and center. For that alone I wouldn't mind seeing Hackett gone. Edit: Should not post from an Android at 6:50am after waking up. Corrected typos! Sorry!

Last time Aaron Williams was ruled out if I recall correctly. That was a huge problem with match ups then.