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The video of him in the Ravens game where it was flipped so he looked right handed was pretty telling. His passes instantly looked way smoother and quicker. I think you're right, mostly because I think Burrow's arm isn't great either. But Tua's left-handedness makes an already soft pass look much worse than it is. I'd say both are slightly below league average in arm strength

A fins fan at work was trying to tell me that Allen's lack of 4th quarter comebacks lately is an issue. You need to look like burrow and the bengals do in this game to get a lot of those though haha

I think it caused a false start?

They caught him off guard with blitzes a few times, but even on that one, it required Dawkins getting beat and Singletary missing a block for the sack to happen. So it's not like allen didn't have protections set right. He had two guys in Ingram's way. In totality, Allen torched the blitz- 13 of 17 or something like that, ~150 yards, 2 tds. And a fumble. For a game full of cover zero blitzes, this is probably near the best case scenario you can hope for. Watch allen vs NE in week 4 of 2019 if you want to see how something like that would go for typical qbs. So no, that fumble wasn't some troublesome, unique-to-Allen problem

We definitely don't get his best play, but I don't think we are more disadvantaged than Lamar in regards to fumbling, because he has a history of fumbles on the same level as Josh's. Thinking back to our last few rainy games - Houston last year, at KC in the regular season, Baltimore in playoffs, vs Pittsburgh on MNF in 2020, vs NE in November 2020, vs Chiefs in 2020 at home...Allen wasn't always great, but he was often very good and sometimes great, and we only lost one of those games.

Over the last 20 months (~22 game span for these two), Patrick Mahomes has 10 fumbles and Josh Allen has 11. Joe Burrow has 8, in less games played. Lamar had 7, but had 12 and 10 in two individual years just before that point. Roethlisberger has 16, Derek Carr has 15, and Kirk Cousins has 13. Again, Josh's fumbling seems pretty typical. His fumbling numbers aren't as low as Brady, Rodgers, or Wilson, but they aren't trailing the pack by any stretch of the imagination. And it is enlightening that those three QBs are the example of the next tier above - old guys who have compiled wisdom that only time can bring, and who get the ball out quick

Aren't 2 of his 3 fumbles from his center screwing up the snap? And again, the other was a blind side strip sack which no qb in the league avoids lol in his last 22 games, the guy has 11 "fumbles," plenty of which are center screw ups. This seems pretty typical to me

Allen's fumbling is a problem when he's dropping it while running. I don't think that's happened once this year. He lost the ball on a blind side strip sack during which any qb in the league fumbles, he was cocking his arm to throw.

You guys are so ***** annoying

My girlfriend bought me three small bills footballs, red white and blue, in August of 2017. I have sat with them for every single game since, except the couple of games I've attended. I watched the game at her (now my fiancée, in 5 days my wife) house yesterday, forgot the footballs.

Cowherd was literally sucking off the bills, and McDermott, like 3 days ago

The Dolphins are a good football team that appears to be bought into their coach, they can take advantage of moments and opportunities, particularly weird ones. They are "conventionally" good. They aren't elite yet, but could be building towards it. They don't have a lot of moments like 4th down slips, 13 seconds etc. The Bills are a goofy sort of good, where they can play the best football you've ever seen and dominate anybody, any time. But crap all over themselves in weird ways if things get weird, sometimes. They are definitely elite now, and everyone will want to avoid them in January more than anyone else except the Chiefs (probably a tie), in any venue. But they are still capable of perplexing losses, inexplicable gaffes etc. seemingly far more often than a "conventionally" good team. There is always a new hail murray, 13 seconds, allen slip, Jags game, this game etc. But they can also score 13 TDs in 16 drives in the playoffs. Just a snapshot in a long season, i'll bet on the bills being there long after miami goes home for the winter

Didn't he specifically go after Cam for his athletic traits? Tough week for both our teams, but it's one week. Just sucks that we have to wait 7 days for another game

LOL

You almost make me want to go through game film from other MVP's losses. Almost. It's self evident that your overarching point is ridiculous

Not only did Hill not say that, but this same discussion was had, and same conclusion discovered,like 2 pages ago in this very thread.

I figured, and grudgingly believed, this to be the case from the stands last night. But then I saw the reverse happen - a Bill jumped offside, and it looked like he got back in plenty of time but was still called, was that one also legit?

"Miss" captures the wrong sentiment, but I think I understand what OP is saying. I don't miss losing and I don't want to lose, I am grateful every single second for what we get to witness now. But there were definitely feelings in the drought that cannot be replicated now, not all of them completely terrible. And I am not taking anything for granted, but I can feel how easy it could be to slip into that mindset- not even enjoying a September win, since I expect it and since the real season starts in January. The reality is that both of these first two games, and 12 others in the josh allen Era, would be top 3 games of my bills fanhood for the first 14 years of its existence. I do my best to remember this. But I understand that simple joys I could experience in 2017, for example, have completely ceased to exist.

No he's not. His big plays have come from underneath, and only in the playoffs, he has been invisible in 3 regular season games against the Bills

The crowd around me in particular wasn't very good. I noticed this same thing, people waited to start screaming until 2 seconds before the snap, drunkenly talking about obscene things in between. And making way too much noise when the bills were on offense. I think people just went a little overboard at the tailgates since it was the home opener. Not the sharpest crowd we will have this year, like thry will be when the weather gets too cold for casuals and the games get important

I got them there in that nfl prediction site where you click through all the games. This was before Tua showed me that he is capable of using those WRs in some situations, while also handing them a loss to baltimore. Their schedule is easy

This is almost exactly the same scenario for me. My last game was Denver 2019. Josh had a solid game, but I hope I get to see him be elite for the first time in person.

Someone did this analysis last year, maybe Joe Marino? And he concluded that this is true, despite Allen's numbers going down at home in the weather, the gap between him and the opposing qb increases.

Would you guys start: Chase Edmonds @ BAL Adam Lazard vs CHI Or Darnell Mooney @ GB? Thanks

I think the chiefs win this one easy