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Possible Round 2 Pick ?
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Mark VI's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
From my understanding, He won't last til the Bills pick in the 2nd round -
All Pro Scouting has this to say about
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to dj-man's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Good article but I hope he becomes a much better QB than Kyle Boller -
What is Shelton worth to us?
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Frez's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I heard that Henry killed the trade by wanting a $7million signing bonus Is it the Bills or is it Arizona who doesn't want this deal done or is it both? -
What is Shelton worth to us?
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Frez's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Why did they cut Pete Kendall who ended up playing very well for the Jets last season at guard? -
What is Shelton worth to us?
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Frez's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Nobody will give up a 2nd rounder for him I would guess it will take a 2nd day pick or he may even get cut -
I don't think that the Cards would want a $3 million depth player on their roster
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How about this for a line LT - LJ Shelton 6'6 335 LG - Bennie Anderson 6'5 345 C - Mike Gandy 6'4 325 RG - Chris Villarrial 6'3 318 RT - Mike Williams 6'6 360 Talk about a huge run blocking line ... woooooow
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http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=13689 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Jackson School: Northern Colorado Position: Wide Receiver Class: Senior Height: 6'4" Weight: 241lbs Birthday: 1/14/83 40 Time: 4.55 Positives - The nation’s top Division 1-AA receiver, Jackson is this season’s sleeper at WR. His great size and speed make him look like a tight end in fast forward. He has put N. Colorado on the college football map and is hoping to make his senior season his best. His size makes him impossible to match up one-on-one and his speed makes him tough to catch. He doubles as a receiver and return man for the Bears. His 22.3 yards per catch average by far lead the 1-AA rankings. Weaknesses - Playing at 6’4, 240+, most teams are not going to know what to do with Jackson. He has enough speed to split wide at WR, but how many LB’s could stop him at TE? Being a ‘tweener will hurt Jackson’s stock and it doesn’t help that he has spent his career playing D2 football. The defenders in division 1-AA are not up to par with his talent and he is unstoppable. Much like the biggest kid in elementary school, Jackson dominates. Overall Analysis - If Jackson were putting up these numbers in the ACC, he’d be a first rounder. And a high one. As it is, he’s playing against lesser talent and they have no solution for him. Another great season will get Jackson invited to the postseason all star games and into the combine, where teams will decide if he’s worth the gamble. Reminds You Of: - Teyo Johnson, Oakland Raiders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Jackson Official Bio College: Northern Colorado Height: 6-43/4 Position: Wide Receiver Weight: 241 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.55 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Excellent size and height...Good speed...Very good athletic ability...Strong...Has good hands...Will jump over defensive backs to make the grab...Also a good punt returner...A playmaker who has a knack for making the big play and scoring touchdowns. Weaknesses: Did not play against a top level of competition...May be too big to play wideout in the pros and could grow into a tight end...Isn't a great route runner and doesn't look smooth...Inconsistent and needs to show more effort...Isn't much of a threat to run after the catch. Notes: Prospect with a lot of upside and potential...Also played basketball in college...One of the top sleeper prospects in the draft and a player on the rise. - Scott Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NCAA | Jackson Could be Used as a TE - from www.KFFL.com Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:03:05 -0800 Pat Kirwan, of NFL.com, reports Northern Colorado WR Vincent Jackson could develop into a hybrid tight end/wide receiver in the future. At 6-foot-5, 223 pounds, Jackson wasn't the quickest wide receiver on the North team during Senior Bowl practices, but he is put together and is much more intriguing as a tight end prospect. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WR Vincent Jackson, Northern Colorado While he’s definitely a player on the rise, he might not play WR in the Pros. His size (6’4, 241) might make him a TE when coupled with his not-spectacular speed, but what he lacks in speed he makes up in pure playmaking abilities. He jumps over corners to make the catch, and can certainly come up with the ball in traffic. Jackson is a project but could be a great player. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Jackson, Northern Colorado – Jackson played wide receiver at Northern Colorado but his size makes him a better fit to be an NFL tight end. He’s 6’6”, 235 pounds, and runs a 4.5 in the 40. Jackson caught 74 balls last season for 1301 yards and 10 touchdowns. Jackson also led the Great West Conference in receptions, receiving yards, and all purpose yards per game (184.3). He’s got strength, speed and has the ability to stretch the defense. Jackson’s size and speed really turned some heads at this years scouting combine. On the downside, Jackson is not a natural tight end and comes from a Division 1-AA school. After watching his combine workout, I believe Jackson will make the transition to tight end without a problem and will be an impact player during his rookie season. I strongly believe the Packers should draft Jackson if he’s still on the board in the third round. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Head and Shoulders Above the Rest UNC's Jackson Might be the Top Offensive Sleeper for 2005 When projecting small school prospects to the NFL level there is one thing they absolutely must have going for them. What is it? Size? Speed? Versatility? Work ethic? Nope. Actually, all of those help, of course, but while each of these intangibles helps a prospect make an NFL roster, the player first has to get the attention of NFL scouts. And to do that, one has to dominate. Which is exactly what Northern Colorado wide receiver, Vincent Jackson has been doing for the past two seasons. "I haven't faced a player at this level yet that I thought could match up with me in terms of size and athletic ability," Jackson says. Don't take his comments as being brash or arrogant. Quite the contrary, Jackson is a humble, soft-spoken young man - one who the numbers say is speaking the truth. Listed by the school media guide as a 6'6, 235 pound receiver with 4.5 speed, Jackson broke seven offensive records in 2003 for the Northern Colorado Bears - a club that many would be surprised to know boasts six former players currently in the NFL (Anthony Dunn, Dirk Johnson, Andrew Martin, Adam Matthews, Brad Pyatt, and Aaron Smith). Among those records - the single season touchdown reception record (21), the career touchdown reception record (26), single season receiving yardage record (1,462) and the single season all-purpose record (1,949). And he isn't done yet. Just this season, he broke the Bears' single game records for most receptions (15) and most all-purpose yardage (349). While his streak of eleven consecutive games with a touchdown was broken early this season, Jackson does boast nine games over his career with multiple touchdowns, thirteen games over his career with over 100 yards receiving, and five games with over 200 yards. Jackson also has four career punt and kick returns for touchdowns and has remained among the league leaders as a return man (11.6 for punts, 24.9 for kicks) throughout his career. All of the records and awards are even more impressive when you consider that Jackson never tried out for football until the 8th grade. And that only two schools recruited him to play football: Northern Colorado and Colorado School of Mines. And that he started only one game for the Bears until his junior season. And that he decided to walk on to the UNC basketball game last season as a way to keep in shape and have fun in the off-season. And despite missing the first four games of their season, he still led the team in both scoring (13.6) and assists (3.1) and finished second in rebounds (5.6) and fourth in steals (24 on the season), earning 2nd team D-I All-Independent honors. In short, Jackson has dominated. And people are beginning to take notice. Listed among my Diamonds in the Rough since last year, Jackson has begun to receive nationwide attention this season - both in the press and by in scouting circles. Already featured by USA Today and as an ESPN chat guest, NFL scouts will soon get their chance, as Jackson has already accepted invitations to play in both the East-West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl. "I've been invited to some of the other games," Jackson told us, "but the two I'm interested in are the Senior Bowl and Shrine Game. I'd definitely be interested in playing in both games." Jackson realizes that the level of competition in these contests would be different than what he is used to, and that the NFL will bring even stiffer challenges. "I'm sure I'll meet players at the next level you have the athleticism or physicality to match up with me. But that is where you have to rely on your route-running and aggressiveness towards the ball. Some corners might be as fast or as quick as me, but I can still jump over most of those guys." The biggest concern besides Jackson's relatively low level of competition, of course, is just where to play him. While most teams polled seemed confident that Jackson's best chance at NFL success was at receiver, others felt his lack of pure downfield speed could pose problems. While BLESTO Scouting Service ranked Jackson as a tight end, National Scouting ranked him as a wide receiver. Jackson, on the other hand, remains unfazed. "I think I could be successful as a tight end. Obviously, I have to add some weight and polish up my blocking, but I think I could be a Tony Gonzalez-type threat down the middle of the field. I've never played tight end before and it would be weird, but if the coaches asked me to do it, I'd try it." "I just first would tell them to watch me play receiver before automatically assuming I'm too big and slow for the position. I've got more agility and athleticism than people give me credit for..." Perhaps not. "The kid is definitely one to watch," one NFC scout told us. "The comparisons to [Randy] Moss are off, but he looks like every bit the talent that Teyo Johnson was a couple of years ago and Johnson went in the 2nd round. We'll see how he runs, but this kid looks quicker than Johnson, too. I'm looking forward to seeing him against the big boys this winter." Standing head and shoulders above his current competition, it will prove quite interesting just how tall Jackson does loom when placed amongst the D-I "big boys" in the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl. Quite interesting, indeed. Rob Rang November 15th, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 6-5, 223 with loads of athleticism, Vincent Jackson of Northern Colorado looks like he has all the tools necessary to be a pro wide receiver. He made a nice adjustment to dive and haul in a wobbly, underthrown bomb. Howard CB Ronald Bartell, when asked who the best receiver he faced in practice on the first day, quickly mentioned Jackson and said a man his size should not be so swift afoot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OVERVIEW Built like a tight end, Jackson has the foot speed to match up with any cornerback at any level of football. His size makes him almost impossible to match up with in one-on-one situations and is always a threat to turn a play into a touchdown, either as a receiver or a return specialist. The gifted athlete also played on the school's basketball team the last two seasons. Jackson earned honorable mention All-State from the Rocky Mountain News as a senior at Widefield High School. He added first-team All-Conference and All-Area honors as he ranked third in the state (class 4A) in receptions (52) and also tallied 697 receiving yards with 13 touchdowns. Jackson was a reserve receiver as a true freshman in 2001 at Northern Colorado. He caught nine passes for 259 yards (28.8 average) and two scores. Jackson also scored twice on 17 punt returns for 306 yards (18.0 average) and gained 264 yards on eleven kickoff returns (24.0 average). He started one of 14 games in 2002, finishing fifth on the team with 22 catches for 445 yards (20.2 average) and three scores. Vincent also returned 27 punts for 256 yards (9.5 average) and fifteen kickoffs for 379 yards (25.3 average). In 2003, Jackson received national attention, earning All-American honors as he shattered school season-records with 1,462 yards and 21 touchdowns on 66 receptions. His 1,462 yards surpassed the previous mark of 1,044 yards by Cedric Tillman in 1988. His 21 scoring grabs topped the old mark of 11, shared by Dillan Micus (1998) and Keith Grable (1999). Vincent also returned 19 punts for 166 yards (8.7 average) and 13 kickoffs for 321 yards (24.7 average). His 1,949 all-purpose yards broke the school record of 1,531 by Adam Matthews in 2002. Jackson continued to assault the record books in 2004, again earning All-American honors while being named Great West Conference Offensive Player of the Year. He caught a school season-record 80 passes for 1,382 yards (17.3 average) and 11 touchdowns, topping the previous mark of 78 catches by Kim Boerema in 1985. He also gained 296 yards on 25 punt returns (11.8 average) and 274 yards on 13 kickoff returns (21.1 average). His 1,952 all-purpose yards broke his 2003 school season-record. Jackson rewrote most of the school's records during his 46-game career. He finished with 177 receptions for 3,548 yards (20.0 average) and 37 touchdowns, breaking the old marks of 168 catches by Kim Boerema (1982-85), 2,507 yards by Cedric Tillman (1986-89) and 20 scores by Keith Grable (1996-99). He returned 88 punts for a school record 1,024 yards (11.6 average) and two scores, topping the previous mark of 967 yards by Earnest Collins (1991-94). Returned 52 kickoffs for 1,238 yards (23.8 average). Only Johnny Watkines (1,262, 1981-84) gained more yards on kickoff returns for the Bears. Jackson amassed 5,810 all-purpose yards, shattering the previous UNC career-record of 4,104 yards by Adam Meadows (2000-03). ANALYSIS Positives: Possesses outstanding size, strength and quickness for his position … Shows average initial quickness off the snap, but uses his hand strength to defeat the jam … Gets a good push off the defender to quickly get into his route … Needs a little polish in his running stride, but can be sudden getting into the short area … Has very good hand quickness, showing the ability to uncover and extend for the ball … Natural hands catcher who will pluck and snatch away from the body's frame … Maintains concentration going for the ball in a crowd … His outstanding ball adjustment skills and ability to track the deep ball make up for his lack of blazing speed … Has the lower body power to break tackles and keeps his balance while building up speed to accelerate and take the ball to the house … He also has the flexibility and cutting agility to get to the off-target throws … Is best when working on slants, as he has the power to turn the short area pass into a long gain … Shows good stick on post routes. Negatives: Bit of a long strider who has to build up speed in order to accelerate … Despite his size, he does not show aggression as a blocker and did not see him spend much time mirroring, shading and controlling defenders on contact … Has good plant-and-drive agility, but needs to do a better job of coming back for the ball … Must improve his route running, as he usually reverts to taking soft angle cuts … Gathers himself and gears down a bit when attempting to get in and out of his breaks … Decent returner at the level he played in, but must develop a quicker burst in order to be effective returning kicks in the pros. INJURY REPORT 2004: Bothered in spring drills with a lower back bruise suffered during the previous basketball season. AGILITY 4.46 in the 40-yard dash … 2.57 20-yard dash … 1.56 10-yard dash … 39-inch vertical jump … 32 ¾-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … 33 Wonderlic score. HIGH SCHOOL Attended Widefield (Colorado Springs, Colo.) High School, playing football for coach Paul Macrenato … Earned honorable mention All-State from the Rocky Mountain News and also earned first-team All-Conference and All-Area honors … Ranked third in the state (class 4A) in receptions (52) and also tallied 697 receiving yards and 13 touchdowns. PERSONAL Business major, possessing a 3.2 grade point average … Son of Sherry and Terry Jackson … Born 1/14/83 … Resides in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Copyright NFLDraftScout.com, Powered by The Sports Xchange ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Jackson, the Next Big NFL Star? KKTV's Jesse Kurtz If you follow college football, chances are you know the names of many of the high profile superstars: Josh White of Oklahoma, Reggie Bush of USC and Cedric Benson of Texas. All household names---all play on national television---but there's another name you need to know before April. It’s a kid from our own backyard is playing at the University of Northern Colorado. And he’s on the verge of hitting the big time in the NFL. Nottingham Field in Greeley, Colorado is home to one of college football's best wide receivers---Vincent Jackson. Now, its become a focal point of NFL draft. “Everybody wants to be a professional athlete. They tell you its one in a million,” he says. But for Vincent Jackson, life in the NFL is practically a sure thing. He's 6'6, 235 pounds, and runs 4.5 in the 40. That’s a rare combination of size and speed that has many NFL draft experts rating the Colorado Springs native among the top receivers in the country. Some are going as far as projecting him as a first-round pick in April. “It’s exciting to know they play on ESPN and CBS. I'm just waiting in the wings---buying my time. The day will come when I'll be hanging out with those guys,” he says. Bears head coach Kay Dalton spent 13 years in the NFL during the 70's and 80's. His tenure included stops in Denver coaching receivers like Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson. But he has never seen a talent like Vincent Jackson. “I've coached a lot of wideouts in my career. In my opinon, he's as good as any of those I had,” says Coach Dalton. So the obvious question is---how did every big-time program in America miss out on such an electric player? It all started back in 2000. Jackson was a senior at Widefield High School---stuck in an offense that didn't pass the ball too often. Thus, he didn't get noticed. “He didn't show up well on tapes,” remembers Coach Dalton. Football season came and went and no big time offers were on the table. “I got questionaires in the mail from D2 and D3 schools,” he says. Then came Jackson's big break--Basketball season. “I sent my coach to watch him play basketball. He came back and said he dominated the basketball court,” says Coach Dalton. Shortly then after, Jackson received a partial football scholarship at UNC. He spent his freshman and sophomore seasons seeing limited action. Then, Jackson exploded on the scene---gracing the covers of national publications and rewriting the UNC record books. He is now the Bears’ all-time leader in receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns, along with a handful of additional special teams records. Jackson doesn't second-guess his decision to play at a small college. Even though he believes he could have been a star in a big-time program, this place made him what he is today. “You get to the big schools---guys get too much. Take it for granted. Every thing here I've worked hard for, it’s made me a harder worker, a better player and person,” says Jackson. Jackson’s athletic talents extend beyond the football field. His junior year, he led the men's basketball team in points and assists. But he'll give up basektball his senior year to concentrate on the NFL a profeesional football career. “If i want to do this at the next level, I want to do it the right way. I'm gonna be around scouts and GM's. Kids at D1 schools are used to the attention and lights. For me, it will be awe-inspiring,” Jackson says. Jackson plans to hit the NFL scene with a message---the same message carried into college football. “Even at the lower level, guys can be difference-maker and an impact player.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And you'll need one to contend with a player like Colorado State's Vincent Jackson, a 6-5, 241-pound phenom who was able to get good separation from pressing cornerbacks at Senior Bowl workouts. Jackson naturally could move to tight end. He's strong enough and has a wide enough frame and the wingspan to be a good blocker, but he wants to be a wide receiver. There have been few complaints thus far and Jackson did a fine job at the Combine, where he showed soft hands in the "gauntlet" drill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Jackson, wide receiver, Northern Colorado: He may have helped himself more than any player in the draft. Jackson dominated small-school competition. Still, there were questions. Not anymore. Jackson shocked scouts by running a 4.44 40 and having a 39-inch vertical jump. Couple those measures with these numbers: 6-5, 240 pounds. Wow. Jackson will enter the NFL as the biggest receiver in the league. With that type of speed. He could sneak from being a mid-rounder to a top 25 pick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ By Vincent Jackson, Special to the News March 11, 2005 University of Northern Colorado receiver Vincent Jackson is on the clock. His countdown to the NFL draft started the day his senior season finished at Greeley. And as the Colorado Springs native prepares for the April 23-24 talent grab - he already has made stops in January at Mobile, Ala., for the Senior Bowl and in February at Indianapolis for the league's scouting combine - he will keep a diary for the Rocky Mountain News of the places he goes, the people he sees. Part 3: The big sigh When (the combine) was over, I got on the plane and it was just like wooo, such a great feeling to come back here and know a weight was just lifted off your shoulders. It was the biggest test you're going to have before the draft. I mean, this whole process is about the combine. And to go there and do well and be happy with my results, I was really excited when it was over. Definitely a relief. Six weeks, eight weeks of training for something that didn't take more than a couple hours. It was definitely a big relief to get it done and I'm glad it turned out well. I believe I convinced some people I can play wide receiver. Some of the scouts talked to my agent (Jonathan Feinsod) and asked, "Did you get him a receivers coach or something? Has he been working with a receivers coach because his routes are so good?" We laugh about it a little now because before the workouts, some people thought I was too big to be a wide receiver, that I'd be a tight end or an H-back or something. And I think some of those people even thought I'd go (to Indianapolis) and run a 4.7, a 4.8 (seconds in the 40-yard dash), something like that. But when I ran, the time I was shown was a hand-timed 4.46, 4.47, then electronically 4.49 and 4.50. I think they decided to average me out to 4.48. I'm very pleased with that, definitely. I thought all along if I ran in the low 4.5s, because of my size, it would help me. So I just wanted to be around that area. I knew it would be good. Outside of the workouts, I also met with a lot of teams, got in front of coaches, general managers. I think by the time it was done, there were only a couple of teams that I had not talked to. And most of them, almost every team, said when they watch my film, as big as I am, that I just played fast. That was the biggest thing. (Kansas City Chiefs coach) Dick Vermeil told me that and a couple of other coaches told me that, too. They were like, "We look at you on film and you don't look like you're 6-5, 240 pounds," which I think was probably the biggest compliment I got. Just to hear that from coaches - that they wouldn't think I was so big the way I control my body. But I felt very comfortable. I've tried to prepare myself for all of that. The coaches were really nice and they just want to get to know you - your background - just have a conversation with them. I was relaxed. I had a great time with it. A great time. I think that's one of my biggest assets, my intelligence and my personality. Just to be able to sit down and talk to receivers coaches, talk about my experiences and my goals, my knowledge of the game. I think that really helps you. They see how you play on the film, but they want to see what's underneath the helmet as well and (the interviews) helped me out, too, as well as testing out well. I'm not enrolled in classes right now, so I have some free time over the next few weeks. My pro day here is coming up and it's just time to get prepared for the next step. I've got to get my stuff ready to move out. To where, I don't know yet, but it's time to be ready for what comes next. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overview: Jackson is a small-school prospect with exceptional size, good speed for his size, and impressive production at the & level. He has been a fulltime starter since his sophomore season in 2002, had 21 touchdowns in 2003 and has had maintained an outstanding yards-per-catch average throughout his career. Jackson also has some versatility as a return specialist. There are obvious concerns about him transitioning to the NFL. However, while he will need time to improve his overall technique and feel as a route runner, Jackson has the physical tools to make the jump. If Jackson is able to showcase his skills against better competition in a post-season all-star game and if he runs in the 4.5's during his workouts, he could quickly rise up the charts and wind up coming off the board in the third/fourth round range ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://uncbears.collegesports.com/sports/m..._vincent00.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Since we're talking draft...
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Interesting combine notes
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more notes 2005 D-side (not so) Small Board of Big Value (SBBV) If professionals with a fine track record such as, say, former PS Head of Operations Tom Donahoe, describe the draft as “a crap shot”, still worse for those of us with no inside information at all. We do know there are, maybe, five parameters in evaluating prospects, to include: Performance: Productivity at the college level is paramount. Physical talent: Standards by position are noted below. Those are worthless when used to imagine some future performance beyond that level established in school. That describes the “workout warrior”, a standard catastrophe. However, they are highly useful in predicting whether, or not, a great college player can translate that production forward. One example being Zo Jackson, who was a force in school but seems to have busted in the show. No surprise: Jackson’s test results revealed he was slower than most LB and weaker than all DE; in fact, he was slower than most DE and weaker than most LB too. A prospect might look fast or powerful on game tape; however, it’s important to remember that we view things relatively, or, in context. That is, a pass rusher might look quick going against some college fat boy who is on his way to a career in the mortgage industry but against the true creatures lining up on Sundays, not so much. IMO, those professing no interest in WO results are deluding themselves with respect to the nature of human perception. In short, WO results are useful to confirm performance; they may not be used to invent that. Medical issues: Medical history is largely an open subject. However, medical information gathered at the Combine and used as a predictor of future performance is not. Every year, prospects fall on that basis; Lee Suggs being a prime example. Football character: Toughness, team orientation, all that. Web sites are rift with rumor but scouts, who spend their lives on the road, have the real deal and, no doubt, that is a set of closely held secrets. Character is a considerable component; this is why some, such as Bill Billick, regard interviews as the most significant factor at the Combine. Every year, prospects rise and fall on that outcome; here, we can guess but we just don’t know. Intelligence: In the same way that football character may be distinct from standard good character, football intelligence may be separate from book smarts. Still, the latter count, with some teams more than others, notably the world champion NE Pats. As is well known, the Pats have more college grads on their roster than any other team. In Patriot Reign, it was revealed that NE gives written tests to all players as part of their weekly game preparation. Now, to perform there, one has to be literate. Wonderlic scores are an indicator; those are part of the Combine process, additionally, they have been administered to the general population as part of, say, job interviews for many, many years. From that, this: the average score for the US population is 22. A score of 10 or below suggests illiteracy. The last suggests why all those rumors last spring, that NE would move for Sean Taylor, were bogus. Taylor scored barely above 10; per Pat Reign, he was not listed on NE’s board at all. On the flip side, per the same tome, an indicator of the distinction between football character/IQ and that prized more widely. In 2000, NE drafted TE Jabari Holloway out of Notre Dame. A year later, they let him go in the Houston expansion draft. Clearly, a blown pick, even by R4 standards and, in hindsight, the Pat brain trust (felt they) knew why. In his senior season, Holloway had missed considerable practice time due to some academic scheduling conflict. For most, the fact that he could perform on the field and meet his book requirements would be considered a positive virtue. For the Pats, retrospectively, not so much; to them, it was understood that the time was now for Holloway and football, a degree could come later. For the Pats, this suggested a priority issue; perhaps, football was not as important to this prospect as was necessary for championship performance. If so, well, he’s not their guy. So, the distinction of standard vs. football character, with one more observation: contrary to notion that O-linemen are dumb beasts, Wonderlic scores for this unit, on average, surpass those of all others, including QB. Yet, to perform on Sunday, O-line types must be fattened to the limit of human endurance. For most, the consequences are serious: hypertension, risk of stroke, adult onset diabetes and so on. For some, the results are tragic: Korey Stringer’s heat death foremost. In short, the smartest guys on the field risk the direst of consequences; there’s your football IQ, there’s your football character. By civil standards, reckless to the point of insanity, but, well, that’s the way it is, that’s the way it goes. Okay. Performance Standards for Prospects, by Position: Ourlads has compiled stats for R1 prospects over the past 5 seasons. Standards for defenders are noted below: H W 40 Height Range Weight Range Speed Range 21 DT 6040 310 5.02 6007-6067 293-325 4.80-5.30 17 DE 6035 270 4.70 6010-6067 250-283 4.48-4.88 09 OLB 6026 243 4.58 6006-6034 232-260 4.46-4.74 04 ILB 6024 248 4.60 6000-6034 230-258 4.46-4.82 19 CB 5113 195 4.45 5090-6024 180-209 4.32-4.60 07 S 6005 214 4.47 5101-6024 201-230 4.40-4.50 One may note traces of prior Steeler drafts; say: Casey Hampton, the shortest, slowest, heaviest DT taken R1, and one of the best. Polamalu is there too; others apparent include Antoine Winfield, smallest of the CB; Dwight Freeney, shortest and fastest of the DE. And so on. The following tables display WO numbers for some possible PS picks, desirable IMO. High performance on particular parameters will be in boldface, as are players most likely to make the final SBBV. D-Line: Key: DNP: Did not participate. DND: do not draft. H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Luis Castillo 6-3 305 4.79 32 4.26 34.4” 37 Fastest 40 posted by any DT in the past 5 years. Tough, smart, durable. R1 value at 1.30 Marcus Spears 6-4 307 15 Weak, (15) being (1) fewer than Zo. Spears was DNP at the Combine; will WO late March, 2nd Pro Day at LSU. Shaun Cody 6-4 293 34 29 Cody DNP at Indy. Attiyah Ellison 6-4 305 5.07 25 4.83 8.01 27.5” 26 Agility bad but not worse than Mizzou teammate CJ Moseley Sione Pouha 6-3 325 5.02 32 4.40 7.84 32” 21 Best NT in the draft, by far. Others are DND. Chris Canty 6-7 283 34 Canty DNP at Indy. Injury history is a serious concern. Day 2 value at best, IMO. Eric Coleman 6-5 288 5.12 27 4.73 7.43 33” 22 For some, a sleeper pick. Tim Bulman 6-3 294 4.91 35 4.21 7.24 31.5” 26 Some Day 1 attributes, above average smarts. C. Solomona 6-5 286 4.76 26 4.45 7.29 33” ? Results from Oregon Pro Day IMO, Castillo is the #1 DT in this draft; as such, he is a value at 1.30. Pouha is no worse than #8; as such he is a value in R3. In contrast, players like Anttaj Hawthorne, CJ Moseley and Ellison will be overvalued in April; both Coleman and Bulman are similar prospects, and should be available Day 2. Evidently, Solomona has R1 worthy athleticism; he may be a tremendous value late. Otherwise: DT such as Mike Patterson, Lorenzo Alexander and Darrell Shopshire do not fit PS the system, IMO. As for the NT: Tony Bryant didn’t distinguish himself at the Senior Bowl; neither Larry Burt nor Al Means were invited. Learning could be an issue: that trio having a combined Wonderlic score of 38, one better than Castillo accomplished alone. Turning to the OLB, perhaps in the Willie McGinest mode: Big OLB: H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Shawne Merriman 6-4 272 25 19 DNP at Indy; Pro Day March 16th Doesn’t figure to be available 1.30 David Pollack 6-2 265 4.79 25 3.94 6.87 37” 30 Great agility, productivity and want-to; downside is frame length, short arms. DeMarcus Ware 6-4 251 4.61 27 4.07 6.85 38.5” 20 Speed close to R1 OLB standard, better than DE. Vertical matches Kendrell Bell, 2001. Matt Roth 6-4 278 4.85 26 4.36 7.65 32” 16 Seems to lack movement skills for OLB. Dan Cody 6-4 254 4.75 4.56 7.09 33” 21 DNP at Indy. Marks are from Pro Day. Jason Babineaux 6-2 286 4.87 21 4.62 7.71 29.5” 13 Poor vertical, poor Wonderlic. Said to have good lateral ability, but Combine doesn’t support that. Jovan Hayes 6-2 284 4.82 33 4.38 7.40 34” 14 A puzzle. 8.5 sacks as a junior, 1.0 as a senior. David McMillan 6-3 262 4.60 16 4.08 7.11 34” 16 Good straightline speed, decent agility, mediocre VJ, Zo weak. Tony Ficklin 6-2 268 4.68 38 ? ? ? Results from San Jose State Pro Day. The value cluster forecast earlier for DE/OLB at 1.30 seems to be evaporating. Justin Tuck, who (probably) has the measurables, has evidenced a disinterest in the system practiced here. Neither Roth nor Cody seems to have state of the art athleticism (SOTA). Of those, Roth has the demeanor but Cody’s history of depression and, reportedly, an off-putting attitude at Indy, casts a shadow on his prospects. Things don’t improve later: of the big boys (Babineaux and Hayes), Hayes seems to have the better measurables, but those aren’t great. McMillan looks like a faster version Zo. In sum, it seems to be Pollack, or Ware, or bust. Of course, the Steelers’ need at OLB remains; below, some prospects perhaps in the mode of a Joey Porter: Standard 3-4 OLB: H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Kevin Burnett 6-3 239 20 36” 30 DNP 40 and agility. Pro Day March 16 Daryl Blackstock 6-3 247 4.70 25 4.32 7.05 39” 16 Experienced in the 3-4. 40 not great but 1.62 at 10 yards approaches Ware. Not Dwight Freeney, who did 1.44 in 2002 Michael Boley 6-3 236 4.56 DNP 4.12 7.08 34” 30 Productive pass rusher at Ole Miss. Mediocre VJ; excellent 40; decent agility. Derek Wake 6-3 236 4.65 20 4.13 7.12 45.5” 21 Like Welsh, has to get stronger. VJ, #2 all-time at Combine, will move him way up. Probably, too far. Jon Welsh 6-3 244 4.68 19 4.22 7.38 40.5” 25 Played at Wisconsin with several Day 1 D-prospects. Halo effect? Reportedly, ran sub 4.50 at Pro Day. Jordan Beck 6-2 233 4.60 25 4.12 7.11 41” 27 Outstanding athlete. Position is subject to question, as is ability to translate from small school competition. Jon Jackson 6-3 235 4.60 4.41 7.45 ? ? Pro Day results; not invited to Combine. As productive as Dan Cody at Oklahoma. Good straight speed, poor agility marks. Other aspects not known. Derrick Johnson is the consensus #1 at OLB; he does not figure to be at 1.30 and, even if he were, he’s a dubious choice for the 3-4. Johnson is a chase player who has some issues taking on blocks. That doesn’t suggest an OKIE OLB; his height may pose pad level issues inside. Then too, while adding back Blackstock (or, maybe Burnett) seems to resuscitate that OLB cluster at 1.30, it’s questionable whether either prospect rates selection at that point. We’ve seen the effects of a reach before: in 2003, the Steelers drafted Zo Jackson despite the fact he did just (16) reps, ran a 4.89 with agility tests of 4.45 and 7.69. That did not suggest he would translate his considerable collegiate production forward. The PS FO drafted Zo because he could jump, this being considered an indicator of explosiveness. At that time, Jackson’s 37” vertical was considered something special. Well, not so much now: Pollack, Ware, Blackstock, Wake, Welsh and Beck met or exceeded that figure; that’s 6 of 14 prospects (with a mark) listed above. Beyond doubt, the PS can get a developmental OLB prospect next spring; they can get a difference maker too, R1 with Pollack or Ware anyway. After that, value seems to be is Day 2, as may be so at ILB too: 3-4 ILB: H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Channing Crowder 6-2 252 4.71 ? 4.21 6.57 35.5” 30 Times from Pro Day when he weighed 242 Barrett Ruud 6-2 241 4.75 25 4.00 7.22 34.5” 35 High try, smart guy but for the PS, not a R2 value, IMO. Jared Newberry 6-1 254 30 Newberry DNP at Indy. Date for Stanford Pro Day not found. Kirk Morrison 6-1 235 25 4.35 DNP DNP 25 DNP at Indy; could be Foote-like in that measurables may not support projecting his great college career. Alan Seward 6-2 248 4.60 33 4.11 7.17 36.5” 33 Superb measurables, highly productive at UNLV Jon Pollard 6-1 247 4.68 21 4.08 7.42 35” 24 OLB at OSU; figures as WILB. James Grigsby 6-0 249 4.60 32 DNP 7.11 35.5” 34 Everyone’s favorite sleeper, so no sleeper at all. Like Beck, a highly productive small school guy whose measurables do translate. Tyjuan Hagler 6-0 236 4.59 35 4.13 7.21 35.5” 19 10-yard 1.56 matches Bell, 2001. James Kinney 6-0 244 4.63 30 4.32 6.77 34” ? Not invited to Indy; all results from Pro Day. Said to have been a team leader at Mizzou Just for laughs: H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Clark Haggans 6-3 253 5.04 20 4.21 7.12 31.5” ? Sack leader at Colorado state but measurables do not compute Larry Foote 6-1 231 4.77 24 4.41 7.18 30” ? Great Big 11 LB; measurables do not compute. Kendrell Bell 6-1 234 4.64 24 4.50 ? 38.5” ? 10-yard 1.56; that and VJ sealed the deal. Zo Jackson 6-4 266 4.89 16 4.45 7.69 37” ? Number of DE with <16 reps? Until McMillan, none. Second day small school prospects like: Seward, Grigsby, Beck and Hagler seem to possess athleticism on the level of a Kendrell Bell. Two were >30 Wonderlic-wise; Beck was well above average too. As is true for all small school players, there is a question as to how these prospects will respond to a higher level of competition; then again, Kendrell Bell played just one season at UGA. As for the secondary: CB: H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Justin Miller 5-10 201 4.42 15 DNP 41.5” 22 Consensus #4 CB, a rank traditionally on the board at 1.30. Fabian Washington 5-10 188 4.29 18 3.96 41.5” 25 Fastest 40 since Deion Sanders. 3-year starter, including frosh campaign. Marlin Jackson 6-1 198 4.52 23 4.04 6.96 36” 21 Marginal speed, slightly above average agility. Ron Bartell 6-1 211 4.37 21 DNP 35.5” 35 Figures to move up but agility factors unknown. Size, strength and smarts suggest FS/CB. Stanley Wilson 6-0 185 4.36 14 4.07 6.81 38” 30 Reportedly, soft; reportedly, has not produced to physical ability. Nick Collins 5-11 206 4.38 11 40” 14 Didn’t test strong, didn’t test smart. Alphonso Hodge 5-11 203 4.44 20 4.07 DNP 34” 22 Decent Combine but stock slipped, or so it is said. Karl Paymuh 6-0 204 4.35 15 3.94 7.11 41.5” 15 Like Wilson, didn’t produce to those numbers. Shirdonya Mitchell 6-0 185 4.32 ? ? ? ? Mizzou Pro day results. Blew ACL there; will be on PUP list this season. Possible future value. The top 3 CBs (by consensus: Rolle, Rogers and Jones) figure to be long-gone by 1.30. By way of comparison to those noted above, Rogers did a 4.31 40, along with outstanding agilities, 3.84 and 6.49 (the latter being DeAngelo Hall good). Post 1.30, well: Bryan McFadden, Eric Green and Corey Webster generally are considered R2 picks; however Green has had injury issues, as has Webster (who did a 12 Wonderlic and 9 reps) and McFadden is nothing special, IMO. Bartell and Jackson may be 2.62 worthy but the others, not so much. Turning to the smaller CB, generally found from R3 and beyond: NCB: H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Darrent Williams 5-9 176 4.30 13 3.97 6.98 34” 25 Excellent Senior Bowl. Good Combine but agility marks aren’t what you’d expect. Dom. Foxworth 5-11 184 4.34 14 3.89 6.78 41” 20 Reportedly, high character prospect. Not much in run support. Reportedly, stock up. Scott Starks 5-8 172 4.37 13 3.92 7.01 43” 25 Track star, Big 11 all-academic. Abe Elimimian 5-10 190 4.62 14 4.06 DNP 39” 28 VJ surprisingly good. Ellis Hobbs 5-9 192 4.45 12 4.08 6.80 42” 14 Wonderlic score a disappointment for 3-time Big 12 all-academic. Daven Holly 5-10 192 4.39 15 4.08 7.16 39” 16 Local product out of Clairton. PS missed on Leigh Bodden of Duquesne. There are an uncommon number of quality CB prospects in this class. Speed is of the essence; reportedly as many as (11) went under 4.40 at Indy. Therefore, if the PS go elsewhere R1, they still may expect considerable quality among the 13th to 20th CB overall. That’s in the area of R3 thru R4, with, perhaps, some stragglers in R5. Finally: Safety: H W 40 Reps Agility Vertical Wonderlic Remarks Sean Considine 6-0 212 4.50 19 3.93 7.11 37” 33 Best S at Senior Bowl. Figures to be the Madieu Williams of this class, a Day 2 prospect rising to R2. OJ Atogwe 5-11 219 4.52 22 DNP DNP 30 Like his Stanford teammate Stanley Wilson, may not play to his talent level. Ger. Sensabaugh 6-1 214 4.44 17 DNP 46” 21 Incredible athlete, probably a SS. Justin Beriault 6-3 204 4.52 14 3.84 6.93 39.5” 20 Incredible agility for a player of his height. Contrast with Browner (4.63, 4.24 and 7.21) Patrick Body 6-1 193 4.32 ? ? ? ? Pro Day results, not invited to Combine. Stalwart at Toledo. Considine is a player; while his athleticism has been considered suspect, his Combine shows that is, in fact, very near R1 level; his Wonderlic suggests he’d grasp the system quickly. Sensabaugh is a monster; while the PS are fixed with (4) SS now, it’s possible to imagine Polamalu taking the signal-calling role, with Sensabaugh being that physical match for TE, which the PS long have lacked. A similar case can be made for Beriault. Finally: Provisional, by rounds: The PS drafts deep in each round. Below, prospects are slotted at the last point where they figure to be available. Boldface may represent either value at the spot or the presence of a value cluster within which may lurk some individual standout. (Players) as shown here are likely to be long gone. 1.30 2.62 3.93 Deep R4 Deep R5 Deep R6-7 Remarks D-line (8) (Spears) (S. Cody) Castillo Pouha Canty Coleman Bulman Solomona Value early and late. McGinest (9) (Merriman) Pollack Ware D. Cody Roth Babineaux Hayes McMillan Ficklin Value early or not at all OLB (7) Burnett Blackstock Boley (Wake) Welsh Beck J. Jackson Beck could be anywhere ILB (9) Crowder Ruud Newberry Morrison Seward Grigsby Hagler Pollard Kinney ILB Day 1 doubtful. Early and late mid-round values. CB (7) Miller Washington (Jackson) Bartell Wilson Collins Hodge Paymuh Mitchell As usual, early or not at all for quality big CB. NCB (6) Williams Foxworth Starks Hobbs Elimimian Holly Quality in mid rounds. FS (5) (Considine) (Sensabaugh) Atogwe Beriault Body Considine is a high value in R3. In our next iteration, some prospects will be removed, slotting will be refined; in the end, hopefully, we’ll develop a product that accurately predicts which prospects in any given round go on to become quality players. While the SBBV will reflect the needs of the PS, as those are understood here, it is not intended to predict which prospects the PS FO will draft. That’s for others, with insider type knowledge. Here, using the information developed in our Draft Survey, Honolulu, Vincent and Pats/Eagles sequence, is sought the best aggregate outcome. Off that, the cleanest picks are: Castillo, Pollack, Wilson and Considine; there are no questions concerning either the competitiveness or productivity of three of those prospects. Finally, insufficient information on: Marcus Spears, Shaun Cody, Chris Canty, Chris Solomona, Tony Ficklin, Jon Jackson, James Kinney, Shirdonya Mitchell and Patrick Body. http://www.stillers.com/article_show.asp?ID=1425 -
Is David Baas worthy of our first pick
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to RVJ's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I don't see Baas lasting to the Bills pick in the 2nd round I don't think the Bills front office does either, that is why they are bringing in so many guards in free agency -
As we saw in the AFCC, smarts count. The NE Pats have more college grads on their roster than any other team. They’ve won 3 of the past 4 championships; there may be a link. Of course, there are other aspects; outlined, three factors in evaluation: A willingness to compete: Lacking inside information, we’ll accept participation at the Combine as an indicator. Smarts: Admittedly, football smarts may be distinct from those measured by Wonderlic scores. However, that’s all we’ve got; besides, some of the numbers below are hilarious. Physical ability within range: Some benchmarks are attached to the following. IOL: As noted in our post-Combine O-side survey, the Steelers’ 2005 draft strategy revolves around the OC spot. Like no team in football, the PS FO has lavished R1 picks on the inner three, the IOL. Some would have them do so again; however, in a draft that is as deep at the spot(s) as is this; they would do better to wait, IMO. We’ll see; regardless, here are a few prospects that should receive no Day 1 bid. Elton Brown: Widely regarded as #1 at OG. However, Brown bailed at the Senior Bowl; he left Indy too, if “with permission.” This suggests some issues concerning his competitiveness, IMO. Reportedly, his weight has fluctuated wildly over the e v a l season. Additionally, though O-linemen are generally the brightest players on the field, Brown scored (13) on his Wonderlic. Not good. Marcus Johnson: Did not get good reviews at the Senior Bowl; part of the South O-line that was savaged by DE Bill Swancutt and Matt Roth. At Indy: scored (17) on the Wonderlic; did (21) reps which is ok not good. Not R2 worthy, IMO. Chris Kemoeatu: Anger management issues, (14) on Wonderlic. OT: Expanding slightly on those O-side Notes: Jamaal Brown: Scored (12) on that Wonderlic, not that he’ll be there at 1.30 anyway. Adam Terry: One of few OT that did nothing at the Combine. Competitiveness, toughness are questionable; IMO, not R2 worthy. Jeremy Parquet: (17) reps won’t get it. Wesley Britt: Hot tub fixture at Alabama; tall, will have pad level issues. Not R2 worthy, IMO. Rob Petitti: Showed up fat at the Senior Bowl, didn’t work out in Indy. WR: WR don’t have to be geniuses. They do have to be fast; over the past 5 drafts, R1 WR have averaged 4.47 in the 40, with a range of 4.33-4.60. Anything less is less than Day1 talent. Larry Brackins: Is he willing to compete? Big WR out of Pearl River CC; had a chance to go to Florida State; remained at Pearl, presumably, a big fish in that tiny river. 4.58 40 doesn’t suggest any tremendous upside. Fred Gibson: Less than meets the eye; not a Day 1 value, IMO. Chris Henry: Behavior problem, (9) on Wonderlic suggests a cause. Steve Savoy: 4.62 40, (13) Wonderlic. Not fast, not clever. Paris Warren: 4.71 and (17). Craig Bragg: Needed to show at the Senior Bowl, but did not. RB: Few RB are Mensa candidates; as for speed, well, R1 picks over the past 5 seasons have averaged 4.52 with a range of 4.40 to 4.65. Again, anything less is less than Day 1 talent. JJ Arrington: Nation’s leading rusher but had a bad Senior Bowl. However, did well at Combine so who knows? Still, a smallish back lacking Portis/Bell type speed. Maybe later but not R2 worthy, IMO. Maurice Clarett: 40 time slower than some DE and most LB, not that he’s on the Steelers’ list anyway. Frank Gore: Played at 230# last season; showed up at Miami’s Pro Day weighing just 208#. Who is he kidding? Wonderlic score of (6) suggests no one at all. Ran in the mid-4.6 range, which is not Day 1 worthy. KJ Harris: Great talent marred by nagging injuries throughout his collegiate career. Mediocre Senior Bowl. Now 26 years old; was a man among boys at WVU but (despite talent) did not dominate. No reason to believe he will do so in the show. Not Day 1 worthy, IMO. TA McClendon: Persistent injury issues in school; fumbled a lot too. At Indy: ran 4.71 40, including 1.69 over the first 10 yards. C’mon. Vernand Morency: Small RB lacking elite speed; like Gore, mid-4.6 at Miami Pro Day. By way of comparison, former college teammate Tatum Bell did 4.37. Did not drill at Indy, did fire off an (11) on the Wonderlic. Walter Reyes: Smallish back who clocked 1.70 over the first 10 yards of his 40. Came on with a sub-4.6 40, not that it matters. Wonderlic, (11). On the other side of the ball: Front 7: For R1 DE, a 4.70 40 is <average good>; for LB, 4.60. Eric Moore: 4.84 40 is outside of Day 1 range for OLB. Scored (9) on Wonderlic, which suggests he’ll have some issues grasping the 3-4. Bill Swancutt: 5.0 40. Not since Clark Haggans… George Gause: (14) Wonderlic; said to prefer 4-3 anyway. Jason Babineaux: Physically, does not fit the system; (13) Wonderlic suggests he’s not going to get it. Mike Patterson: As above, except Wonderlic was (9). Lance Mitchell: (14) Wonderlic, 4.85 40 is outside Day 1 range. Odell Thurman: Like his college teammate Fred Gibson, less than meets the eye, IMO. Wonderlic, (12). DB: In the past 5 years, R1 CB have averaged 4.45 in the 40; standard good for the shuttle is ~4.00; for the cone, ~7.00. Anything less is less than Day 1 worthy. For safeties, the numbers are: 4.47 with a range of 4.32 to 4.60. Travis Daniels: Marginal athletic ability for CB; Wonderlic of (10) doesn’t suggest a transfer to FS. Corey Webster: Wonderlic (12), bench reps, (9); did no other drills, suggesting some competitiveness issues. Webster is a fine press corner but struggled with zone at the Senior Bowl. He may be a player but does not fit the system here, IMO. Chris McKenzie: Small CB who flew thru the 40 at 4.32. However, shuttle of 4.33 suggests he’s a straightline only type. For CB, that’s not good. Jamaal Brimmer: 4.80 40. Brandon Browner: 4.63 40 was worst among CB; 4.24 shuttle wasn’t good either; R3 value, IMO. Red Flags: RB Brandon Jacobs: Stunned on-lookers running 4.56 at 6’-3”, 260#. Frightening. However, Jake was slow over the first 10 yards and for running backs that’s not good. Jacobs was clocked at 1.69, slower than all RB tested, other than Reyes and McClendon. Over the past (5) years, only (3) RB timed in that range went on to accomplish anything on the show. Those are: DeShaun Foster (1.65 on to 4.57), Marcel Shipp (1.66 on to 4.75) and Pittsburgh’s own Verron Haynes (1.74 on to 4.66). Still, Jacobs has been elevated to R3 on some lists, suggesting a RB cluster there with: Jacobs, Eric Shelton and Marion Barber. Caveat Emptor. Jovan Hayes: Killer Combine; weighing 280#, ran a 4.74 40; did (34) reps. On the downside, (14) Wonderlic isn’t good; however, attended Vanderbilt, a good school, which suggests he may be bright enough. Production is a puzzle too: 8.5 sacks as a junior, (1) in his senior campaign. Matt Jones: 6’-5”, 239#, 4.37 40. Nick Saban considers him a winner but he’ll never be an NFL QB. Despite that, he did not drill with the TE/WR drills at Indy, preferring to chuck it with the QB. Great talent, no position. In contrast to those prospects disparaged above, these featuring beauty and brains, some D-side players that seem to have it all: Front 7: H W 40 Reps Wonderlic Remarks Luis Castillo 6-3 305 4.79 32 37 In the past (5) drafts, only (3) 300# D-linemen have run 4.82 or below. They are, in order of merit: Kevin Williams, A. Haynesworth and Wendall Bryant. Castillo is R1 worthy Chris Canty 6-7 283 34 Did not participate. Injury history suggests R3 or later. Shaun Cody 6-4 293 34 29 Lifted only. A player with great technique; may be maxed out developmentally. A. Ellison 6-4 305 5.07 25 26 Rising prospect out of Mizzou. David Pollack 6-2 265 4.75 25 30 Jumped 37”. Shuttle (3.94) and cone (6.87) are CB class. In the past (5) drafts, no DE has gone under 4.00; of all DE, only KGB and Carlos Hall have gone under 7.00. Pollack does have R1 worthy athletic ability. Justin Tuck 6-5 268 29 DNP. Indicated a preference for the 4-3. DB: H W 40 Reps Wonderlic Remarks Ronald Bartell 6-1 211 4.37 21 35 Small school athlete with smarts; bears watching as the next Charles Tillman. Sean Considine 6-0 212 4.50 19 33 Considered by some best performer at position during Senior Bowl week. Stan Wilson 6-0 185 4.36 14 31 Stanford product; had a spotty Senior Bowl Abe Elimimian 5-10 190 4.62 14 28 Polished cover player lacking long speed; mid round prospect in the Townsend mode. Fabian Washington 5-10 188 4.27 18 25 Fastest 40 since Deion Sanders. Darrent Williams 5-9 176 4.30 16 25 Small CB; considered by some best performer at position during Senior Bowl week. From Castillo or Cody to Pollack up front with the DB noted behind, speed and smarts too. Why look elsewhere? http://www.stillers.com/article_show.asp?ID=1424
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From Sporting News 6-5 345 Age:27 4th year STRENGTHS: Has good size, is an interior mauler and can wear defenders down. In pass protection, shows good awareness, is good at recognizing the blitz and can pick up line stunts. Has a wide frame and uses his arm to force pass rushers to take wider angles to the quarterback. WEAKNESSES: Must lose weight to improve mobility. Lacks the quickness to be effective on pulls on pulls or traps and is a liability in space. BOTTOM LINE: Anderson is an adequate starter but must stay in shape. From Lindy's Bulky bruiser fits well in team's run oriented attack. Bennie Anderson can play smashmouth with the best of them but can struggle at times with pass protection.
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Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Happy Days Lois & Clark's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Buffalo news -
The Buffalo Bills entertained free-agent guard Bennie Anderson of the Baltimore Ravens on Friday. Size is Anderson's strength. He is massive at 6-foot-5 and 345 pounds. Anderson, 28, started four straight years for the Ravens at right guard. He's known as a mauler, good at run blocking. Pulling and playing an athletic style are not considered his strengths. The Ravens decided not to pursue him this offseason. Anderson was an undrafted rookie out of Tennessee State in 2001 and played in the defunct XFL before joining the Ravens. He has started 60 games the past four seasons. Meanwhile, the Bills made two other moves. They signed running back Joe Burns and guaranteed the return of special teams captain Coy Wire by restructuring his contract. On the roster the past three years, Burns became a free agent March 2. He was fifth in special teams tackles last season. Wire is the Bills' backup at strong safety and has been a special teams mainstay for three seasons. Escalators in his contract were scheduled to bring his salary up to $1.4 million, but the Bills brought that figure down in the restructuring to gain salary cap relief (how much was not available), and Wire now is under contract through 2006. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WGR550 that Buffalo also talked to free agent TE out of Arizona Freddie Jones.... I guess he said that he got the impression that Buffalo was looking for a better run blocking TE. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's just say it's not the best possible time to be a running back on the move. Or at least one who is trying to move. Has there ever been a bigger glut in the running-back market? The Colts can't find takers for Edgerrin James, the guy who wears their franchise-player label. Ditto for Seattle and Shaun Alexander. Also on the trading block are Denver's Rebuen Droughns, Buffalo's Travis Henry, Cleveland's William Green and Minnesota's Michael Bennett. And then there's the poor souls on the free-agent market. Eddie George? Please. Ron Dayne? Get serious. Anthony Thomas and Antowain Smith? Uh, we'll call you. In this climate, it's tough to be unattached. So far this month, the only running backs of note who have changed teams are ex-Jet LaMont Jordan, who signed with Oakland, and ex-Chief Derrick Blaylock, who replaced Jordan as Curtis Martin's backup in New York. Throw in the Browns signing Ravens restricted free agent Chester Taylor to a one-year offer sheet this week, and you have the extent of things. Running backs just aren't as valuable in today's NFL. James and Alexander both could probably be had for a second-round pick, but nobody seems to want to step up and pay them the $7 million or so a year that it would require on top of the trade compensation. It's too tempting to just go out and draft another runner, who will play his first four or five years under a much more manageable rookie contract. The trade and free-agent market is so depressed because there are really only three teams that seem hot for a front line running back at this point: Miami, Tampa Bay and Arizona. And all three own draft slots that fall in the opening eight picks. Wouldn't you know it, all three seem in line to be able to take one of the draft's three glamour backs next month: Ronnie Brown and Carnell Williams of Auburn and Cedric Benson of Texas. That's why James might find himself back in Indy for an eighth season, and Seattle might just have found a way to retain all three of its big-name free agents this season -- along with quarterback Matt Hasselbeck and offensive tackle Walter Jones, both of whom re-signed -- without really trying to do so. It's takes two sides to strike a deal. Running backs make their living by making all the right moves. But this offseason, nobody seems to be going anywhere. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Vikings have agreed to send their own 7th-round pick in the 2005 Draft to the NY Jets for LB Sam Cowart, an 8th-year player who spent 1998-2001 with Buffalo before signing in New York as a free agent in 2002. "The high 7th-round pick we obtained from Oakland in the Randy Moss trade allowed us the flexibility to acquire another starting linebacker and still move up in the round," said Vikings Vice President of Football Operations Rob Brzezinski. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Potential draftees the Bills have talked to: Walter Reyes RB Khalif Barnes OT David Baas (OG/C) Maurice Clarett (RB) Alfonzo Hodge (CB) Stefan LeFores (QB) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2005 Opponents Home: Broncos, Chiefs, Dolphins, Jets, Falcons, Panthers, Patriots, Texans Away: Buccaneers, Chargers, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, Saints, Raiders, Bengals
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I went trolling and this is what I found...
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Tipster19's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
How many more dropped passes do you want to see Josh Reed make on 3rd down before you want to get someone else in here who will extend drives & help the team succeed? -
POSTED 8:11 p.m. EST, March 16, 2005 WEDNESDAY NIGHT ONE-LINERS The NFL Competition Committee might expand the replay rule to include review of the point-to-the-ground "down by contact" thing, which seems be to screwed up by the zebras even more than the stuff that's currently subject to review. The Lions have signed Colts G Rick DeMulling. Here's a shock -- with Randy Moss in the AFC West, the Chiefs are pushing the Competition Committee to adopt the college version of the pass interference rule, which would cap the distance at 15 yards except in cases of flagrant violations. The Jets are pimping green-and-white Santana Moss jerseys for only roughly the cost of a Manhattan tuna sandwich (so why not just give them away to the homeless like the puffy shirts on Seinfeld?). WR Jerry Rice testified on Wednesday at the Romo 'Roid Rage trial that he doesn't condone subjecting a teammate to a face-bashing. The Browns have signed Ravens restricted free agent RB Chester Taylor to an offer sheet; if the Ravens don't match, they get a sixth-round pick instead. The Packers re-signed TE David Martin. Former Bears DB Todd Bell has died of a heart attack at age 47. Titans WR Tyrone Calico is hoping to make a big return from knee injuries that knocked him out of the 2004 season. The Lions have gone all woody over the fact that one of their preseason games will be shown on Monday Night Football. The long-term deal between the Rams and LT Orlando Pace creates $2.4 million in cap room -- which will disappear as soon as the team parts ways with Joe Davola.
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http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Featu...2005/top100.htm Who's left that the Bills should look at bringing in?
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I realize that Coy Wire is a good guy but he has not shown he is worth what he is scheduled to make this upcoming season. I'm not even sure if he is worth being on the roster for the league minimum Why not cut him now? If they want a special teams ace they should sign Alex Bannister WR Seattle
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Are The Bills Actually Looking At Starting
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Mark VI's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I think Teague will be the starter there unless they are able to get LJ Shelton somehow later in the offseason I also think they will draft a Left tackle who could also be considered for guard in the future Peters will continue with his development there but will be considered as a potential starter in '06 after Teague's contract is up -
i'm with ya. There are way too many off topic posts. This is a Buffalo Bills message board right
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POSTED 9:48 p.m. EST, March 14, 2005 MONDAY NIGHT ONE-LINERS Giants DE Michael Strahan has filed for divorce from his wife, and his lawyer suggests that her recent allegations against him are intended to bolster her position. Titans LT Brad Hopkins is the latest NFL player to be charged with domestic assault. We've learned that former Dolphins DE Jay Williams will be visiting the Chiefs on Thursday. The Dolphins hosted on Monday OL Damion Cook. The Browns signed DT Jason Fisk and released DE Courtney Brown. CB Ty Law visited the Steelers for a second time Monday, and plans to visit the Chiefs, Browns, Jets, Raiders, and Cowboys. Failed NFL QB Michael Bishop is now a star in the Arena League. Houston is still in the hunt to host Super Bowl XLIII. The Cowboys are still trying to swing a trade for Saints DE Darren Howard. The Bills have released S Pierson Prioleau after he refused to accept a restructured contract. The 49ers have hired Duane Carlisle to be their assistant strength and conditioning coach. Cowboys DT Willie Blade suffered a ruptured Achilles' tendon during NFL Europe practice. The Cowboys officially have signed S Lynn Scott to a one-year, $700,000 contract. Former Cowboys coach Chan Gailey suffered a heart attack Monday while playing racquetball. The Lions plan to sign a young player as the team's No. 3 quarterback.
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Pierson Prioleau gone
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to VABills's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2013066 Associated Press ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- The Buffalo Bills released Pierson Prioleau on Monday after the backup safety rejected the team's offer to restructure his contract. Prioleau, a six-year NFL veteran, was scheduled to make a $1.25 million base salary in the final year of a four-year deal with the Bills next season. Prioleau's agent, Brian Mackler, said Buffalo offered his client a new three-year deal, which included restructuring the final year of his current contract. But Prioleau turned it down, hoping to find a better opportunity with another team. Mackler described the Bills' offer as fair, but Prioleau was willing to explore his options after being relegated to mostly special teams last season. After starting a career-high 16 games with Buffalo in 2002, Prioleau had only two starts last season. His playing time was expected to drop even further after the Bills shifted veteran cornerback Troy Vincent to safety late last season. Mackler didn't rule out Prioleau re-signing with the Bills. The Bills also re-signed backup tight end Ryan Neufeld. He had a career-high five starts in 16 games last season, taking over after the Bills lost starter Mark Campbell and backup Tim Euhus to knee injuries. Finishing with six catches for 61 yards, Neufeld showed versatility, capable of playing fullback and special teams. With Campbell and Euhus still recuperating, the Bills were in need of bolstering their depth at the position. This story is from ESPN.com's automated news wire. Wire index -
Drafting By Oddest Names
Happy Days Lois & Clark replied to Astrobot's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
You forgot about Sione Pouha Sione Pouha Official Bio College: Utah Height: 6-33/8 Position: Defensive Tackle Weight: 325 Class: Senior 40-Yard: 5.06 SCOUTING REPORT Strengths: Has excellent size and a wide frame...Very strong and powerful...Can be dominant at times...Athletic with good speed and quickness...Mature, team leader with great character...Still has a lot of upside and potential. Weaknesses: Overaged prospect who will be a 26-year-old rookie because he took time off for a church mission...Wears down in games...Underachiever who doesn't always play up to his physical abilities...Is not a great pass rusher but could be...Needs to be more consistent. Notes: Has just about everything the pros look for in a defensive tackle...Could make a move up draft boards due to his impressive physical tools. - Scott Wright