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I’ll take Jets again. If not, Vikings, chargers, patriots, fins

Taiwan, Singapore, and SK are lumped into the top category for how they dealt with it. Do I think we could've done that? No. Do I think we could've done better, yes. You won't like it, but the fact that Fox and trump were down playing it didn't help. I'm also with GG on the fact that you have 50 states with different reactions and policies too...

1. Navarro warned it could cause a significant number of deaths, and we needed to take it seriously. 2, Those that did take it seriously and did what has been prescribed as how to successfully take it on have the lowest deaths per million (< 5) and I don't think had any significant economic dislocation. Our response has us somewhere in the middle--we're not Italy and we're not Singapore. Could we have been Singapore had we immediately responded? It's possible...

You're probably right, but I'd take Lewis in a minute if were there. His injury history might cause that.

So, are you suggesting trump was completely unaware of the severity of the virus then? China lied? It's a nice scapegoat and I'm sure they've been spinning the tale for quite some time now. Those with TLS can't seem to accept any criticism of HIM for anything.... #OrangemanGOD My argument has always been they were fully aware of its severity, but he (and others like Kudlow and mnuchin) was more concerned about the economic/stock market numbers until Wall Street got his attention on March 16th.

As I've said all along, his messaging/focus was downplaying it because he was worried about the impact on his economy, which is what he was focusing reelection on. We can argue about some of the substantive things that could've changed the outcome, but I wouldn't put the blame on Trump for any, Bolton maybe, because without that pandemic czar on the NSA, you end up with competing bureaucracies, like FDA/CDC, but that's MMQBing at this point...

I don't know that he ever said to shut down the economy, but he did warn the virus could kill 100s of 1000s. As you know, being aggressive early with testing, isolation, and contact tracing is how some countries were able to prevent the calamity.

Not at all. Of course the CDC et al are doing what they should be doing. What I'm saying and what I said in real time, the messaging from the top was to downplay the virus so as not to harm the economy. Kudlow saying it's under control, Trump talking about 15 cases, and the new demo hoax. There are now a lot of articles about this internal debate.

I'm not claiming we should've adopted WHO's test, rather the point is the information (genetic sequencing of the virus) was made available to create the test in early January. I also posted a few days ago a link to research funded by DARPA published January 30th that suggested the R0 for the virus was twice the initial estimated range (which was 2-2.5). The information was readily available by the end of January that the virus was a serious threat, and some in the administration were sounding the alarm at that point (Navarro for example). As I commented in real time in the Trump Economy thread, it was very clear the economy/stock market was taking precedent over combating the virus. As I commented then, you could see Trump finally took leadership on this after the market crashed March 16th, the day after the Fed dropped interest rates to zero (he commented that Sunday evening how Wall Street would be very happy--they were not). I even stated he finally looked presidential at that Monday afternoon presser. Yes, yes, others were also late to the game, but to say Trump was focused on this from the beginning is spin. Wall Street forced him to take it seriously March 16th.

How much earlier was needed? The German test, adopted by WHO, was ready Jan 17th. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-coronavirus-testing-problems-timeline-2020-3

Yes, trump has been perfect from the beginning. Ignore anything he actually says, it's just he way his brain works...

Yes, and I'll say it again, the comparison should be made at similar stages or in a few months when we're through the worst. I don't think anyone has ever compared us to Italy on this site though, so I"m not sure what you're point is? For countries with a significant number of cases, we'll probably end up in the middle.

Hah! You misunderstand me my friend. I don't have any anger at trump over this, though I did get worked up over his comments about "numbers" related to the Grand Princess docking in the US. My issue is that I stubbornly think I can convince trumpers that he is not infallible. I've made this same argument--that he was more concerned about the stock market than the virus--since March 1st, but there seems to be a large group here that refuses to believe he is capable of error. In fact, I'd suggest you go back and read this thread starting from the last week in February to see how many were parroting the trump lines that the virus was no worse than the flu--the new democratic hoax. I even suggested that this would be his undoing in the election, so I can see why the acolytes resist the idea--he IS infallible! From my perspective, It seems clear to me that you have to be pretty biased not see how he changed from February through March 16th. One has to deny that he said we only had 15 cases and it will be zero soon. Or that Kudlow and others were saying we have it contained. Don't want any pessimistic views impacting the stock market. Hell, he tweeted again about the stock market's performance this week. He's very focused... As for China, my focus has been on the US response once it hit. That editorial I posted suggested China was lying as of Jan 30th; Navarro was trying to get trump's attention at the same time. So, to me, that's just another excuse to explain trump's lack of urgency for those who can't seem to blame him for anything. Was China lying? Yes, and our national security people knew it (Navarro knew it) and the admin was briefed on just how severe the threat was. It's never trump's fault, and there is no buck on his desk.... As for Fauci and Birx, what do you think would happen to those two if they contradicted the admin's line and said our response was was not as good as it possibly could be? I mean, this is the guy who is the best, the greatest at everything, no?

I blamed some others in my last response to you. Yes, anyone who allowed large social gatherings deserves blame. That doesn't absolve trump though. That's the old "but they did it too" excuse.... This is an interesting editorial by the guy who recommended the pandemic czar position on the NSC. There's a lot in it and he published it Jan 30th. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/now-trump-needs-deep-state-fight-coronavirus/605752/ My issue all along is that trump was more concerned about the economy early on than the impact from the virus. More and more is coming out to support this point. Navarro’s memo around the same time as the editorial above. A recent NYT piece about that debate within the admin: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-response-takeaways.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR0KiZKRBk_vcqWIkcajX_LOO1Nlmy4diaGmecuBIT1J-k6ncJDMjMrcoaM Wall Street finally slapped him in the face when the market tanked after the Fed cut rates to zero (and trump was so giddy that night saying wall street would be happy). He finally started acting presidential in that Monday presser, and I said that in a post here. Unfortunately, he’s taking it to another extreme, using the daily presser as his campaign events…. There is no doubt that the virus was going to hit, and I don’t think many lives could’ve been saved had the virus taken precedent with him March 1st instead of March 16th (the real damage was done by the CDC/FDA testing fiasco during February) However, it is clear to me that he changed after that, and his statements throughout indicate this.

Having "managed" the Jets in Virgil's last draft, I picked Jeudy at 11 because I thought he was a top 10 pick vs OT Thomas who I wasn't certain he could be an LT. However, had we been able to trade, my goal would've been to trade back a few picks, ideally with Denver at 15, pick up an extra R3 (giving them 3 in R3), then select Chaisson ahead of the Falcons. The Jets had a top 10 D last year, and were top 2 in run D. They are a pass-rusher away from being top 5, so that one pick makes them nearly complete on D (they could use another CB). I really wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets take Chaisson somehow. They could upgrade the RT position in R2, even move near the end of R1 packaging one of their R3 picks.

The death rate per million is very relevant, but the comparison you were trying to make was not correct. You came into this thread a little later than some, so if you look back at my posts, I always acknowledged that the China ban was a good move, however, they squandered the advantage it gave them by thoroughly screwing up getting the testing up to a rapid scale. This summarizes it: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/coronavirus-testing-cdc-fda-red-tape-invs/index.html As for underestimating the impact, the security briefings in January and February are well known now, as is the fact that some of our eminent congress critters used the inside info to sell and or buy stock. In addition, there were very early estimates of the contagion factor that showed it was very contagious. Even some early study's by American researchers: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1 It's pretty clear the Administration is doing damage control...and looking to blame anyone but themselves...

I was in the corner of the endzone where Tasker nearly scored on that kickoff return. While it was cold, I think I've felt colder at other games where I wasn't mentally prepared for it as that one.

Wow! Surprised Simpson never went. I know less about Williams, but trust your board. For the final TBD draft, I'd still like to see another 3-rounder with trades (the Jests "could've been contenders" with trades....), but maintain a strict 2-hour limit, with obvious down time over night--say, midnight to 7 am EST? Whatever works for our fearless leader though....thanks @Virgil!

That measure for deaths is not really relevant unless every country is at a similar point along the curve. We'll see how the US fares eventually at the end of this. This type of pandemic has been discussed and prepared for going back to Bush Jr. The most recent "exercise" was Last October. We've gone over this, but the outcome is dependent on how quickly we acted, especially with the ability to test. That was a complete fiasco here. Deblasio, to a certain extent Cuomo, and the Federal Government were slow to act. Newsom was not. The US is more like handful of countries, not one contiguous one... Trump initially hoped it would just go away so his economy would not be harmed, and his media interactions showed this. Then, he finally figured out if he showed leadership that it would help him. Now you can't shut him up....

So you're saying they never saw the possibility of a pandemic that wouldn't need this level of testing? Nor did they have any simulations in the recent past? Sorry, this smacks of CYA...

I look at nfl.com draft tracker as a source.

Kushner, this guy shouldn't be anywhere near any type of decision-making... Two articles that I won't be surprised if they are related: https://news.yahoo.com/hospitals-feds-seizing-masks-other-210748808.html https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/US-Department-of-Defense-give-1-million-masks-to-IDF-for-coronavirus-use-623976 The last one came across my twitter feed yesterday, indicating the title of the article had been changed from originally stating the supplies were delivered by US military transport: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55030.htm If you click on the referred to tweet, it gets into the change in the original article.

Sounds like your view or model has changed on this?

Back in the "War Zoom," the NY Jets awake from their slumber to discuss their second selection in the third round of the 2021 NFL draft, or at least it seems that long…. The Jets have one more pressing need to address in this draft, an edge rusher. Had they been allowed to trade, they would’ve moved up a few spots to take Terrel Lewis with their other R3 pick, but alas rules are rules… Greggo W and the coaching staff are debating the merits of two prospects, Uche, a relatively known quantity, vs Alton Robinson, another prospect that is more athletic (he had the 3rd best 40 time among edge rushers), has a higher ceiling, but is somewhat raw. Uche would be used more like the Bills’ Alexander, moved around the line in pass rushing situations; however, they really need an edge rusher to complement strong-side LB Jordan Jenkins, who had 8 of the teams 35 sacks in 2019 (S Adams was second on the team). The staff decide to go with upside again: With the 79th selection in the 2020 NFL draft, the NY Jests select Alton Robinson, edge, Syracuse. @aristocrat and the Las Vegas Raiders are on the clock... In a recent mock, Matt Miller had Robinson going to the Falcons in R2, and NFL.com tracker has him listed as the fifth best edge rusher. I’d be interested to hear other opinions on Robinson… As for the Jets' draft overall, they are happy with their first two selections of WR Jeudy and CB Gladney, and had they been able to trade they would've tried to make some moves that allowed them to get two players who could easily come in and start or contribute significantly at RT and edge, rather than two prospects who will see limited playing time. Always fun though! Thanks Virgil.

He certainly won't select my pick, since he took Chaisson in R1.