BringBackOrton

Peyton Manning is an All Time Great, let’s compare his last season with Josh’s! Then we can say he’s better than Peyton AND Brady!

Maybe the team would have scored more TDs if Josh and the O weren’t 26th in yards and plays per drive. It’s that pesky conundrum where the offensive positive stats are all because Josh was dragging those bums, and the negative stats are all because the rest of the offense sans Josh are bums.

Where did Allen “not get much help?” Let’s do a deep dive on his receiver’s stats. His top two targets ranked 47th and 78th in drop rates this season. John Brown’s yards per target was higher than Kelce, Sanders, Julio, Kupp, Landry, Woods, Cooks, Allen, Tate, Adams, Hopkins, Odell. Oh no! Some one is bringing up stats that don’t make Allen look like he’s throwing to Wyoming level receivers!

The Jordan Phillips of WRs Better a good WR at $13M than mediocre one at $10M

Yes, Brady Goff and Wentz who were all universally lauded this year for their stellar play.

I’ll tell them to up their expectations to competent.

Was 60% even league average this year? Are we shooting for the lofty goal of 30th in the NFL in completion percentage? I suppose when you rank 32nd even 30th smells sweet.

Incredibly, no one ever does a deep dive into Allen’s positive stats to demonstrate that they may be flawed. Funny how that happens.

Bad throws causing a lower completion percentage being “irrelevant” is the cherry on top of this Looney Tunes sundae.

The story of the NFL can’t be told without Ei Manning. He’s going to be in the HoF.

Yep. I can’t think of many coaches, HoF or otherwise great, who have had as much success as Andy has had with multiple QBs.

Eli won two Super Bowls against the best QB of all time.

There are a couple bad plays by everybody that could have been huge plays in close games. That’s the NFL man.

Does Rivers get in over Manning in your opinion? Can’t tell the story of the NFL without the Manning Brothers standing in Brady’s way during his prime. I get your point but I disagree.

Oh come on. The Bills WR’s looked in a couple hundred balls this year. This is the nonsense I’m talking about.

So 10 drops more than average over 16 games.

I’ve watched the Bills WR’s competently catch sideline passes all year. They dropped 7 more passes on the season compared to league average. Those 7 drops negatively affected Josh’s performance, but he needs to be better.

My position would be having receivers not as good as Deandre Hopkins makes Allen appear worse than if he had Hopkins. But it doesn’t change his ability as a QB.

You know exactly what I mean. It’s hard to take you seriously after spending three years doing the same song and dance with Tyrod. We don’t have to back up the excuse train this hard. We all know Josh doesn’t have Deandre Hopkins. 31 teams don’t have Deandre Hopkins. It would be nice to have one and it would make Josh look better. It probably wouldn’t make him a better QB, he needs to do that on his own.

Because you can Josh Allen has shown good signs without being dishonest about it?

I know he did. He needs to continue to get better.

You commented on my post about it. The dude who said Josh has no weapons? John Brown was 21st in recieving yards last year. Per PFR. That’s on 15 games played too. I’d like to see what stat you’re referencing. You’re the one who said we had “no weapons.” Sounds like we need to replace them if that’s the case. Or maybe we do have weapons?

Yeah man, if Allen is an All-Pro next year it all worked out. The odds of that are super low.

The drops stat. I know exactly what you meant. When’s the last time Josh faced much coverage that wasn’t straight man? It’s total hyperbole to pretend like Josh is still throwing to Zay and KB and to treat this offense accordingly. No, Josh isn’t throwing to the greatest offensive weapons. But he’s not throwing to dudes who don’t belong in the league. You don’t have to pretend John Brown and Cole Beasley are garbage to prop up Josh.

Yeah man, John Brown was never the #1 option on those teams. Last year he was a top 20ish reciever in the NFL when he was given his shot. Thems the breaks. If Josh “has no weapons,” we should just cut him and Beasley and start over I guess.