BringBackOrton

From a cap management standpoint, do you think we need $40M in space every year?

Something something before they hatched. I can’t name a QB on the Bills who was ran out of town too early. Let’s hope Allen is the guy, but history suggests if he gets run out of town, he’ll back up somewhere for a while then retire.

the season isn’t over. We’ve been 5-1 in the last 17 years.

Even if they did beat the snot out of a team, there would be naysayers. Didn’t we blow out KC in 2011 AND beat the Pats and we still finished 6-10? Just win games and get to the playoffs. The rest is noise.

Who cares? Tanking doesn’t affect me.

I want Josh Allen to be a very good QB, that’s why.

It was actually 28 games and his numbers were pretty pedestrian. He threw less than 1 TD per start as a sophomore. He was a game manager at best. If you watched the games, (I did) he lived off checkdowns and quick throws. Its okay though. It’s irrelevant to the larger point, but you know that.

Incredible.

It’s actually 4 and it’s the 4 teams who have drafted 1st round QB’s in the last 5 years, except for the Jags and Bortles (who I imagine you didn’t think was the guy either lol). AKA, you think you were smarter than those 4 or 5 teams. The other teams drafted Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, Wentz, Goff, Allen, Baker, Darnold, Rosen, Murray. Most of those QB’s are either too early to tell, or already stars/franchise with the exception of Trubisky and Rosen arguably. Obviously luck plays a huge part in finding a good QB. That’s not my point. It’s recognizing a bad QB and not falling into the sunk cost fallacy that teams SUCK at. The Bucs have wasted most of Evans’ prime waiting for Winston. They haven’t drafted a QB high yet. The Bills did that for EJ. They waited until 2018 to draft a QB in the first, and EJ lost the job in 2014!!!! That’s malpractice.

You’re the one who just said you would have walked away from Winston and Mariota way earlier. Yeah I think they’re stupid.

You’re telling me. We need to run way more.

Seeing as that was one QB of the several that I mentioned, and that the point of discussion was the rookie first round deals, I’d say you both missed the point in an obvious crusade attempt.

If Josh Allen was beat out by a 2nd or 3rd round QB next year, that’s only a good thing for the Buffalo Bills, the team that I am a fan of.

He sucked in Minnesota. Most teams are really stupid and bad. The teams that are good have good QB’s.

they probably won’t draft one high. But they should. Not drafting new QB’s is how you end up like the Titans and Bucs. Treading water for 5 years waiting for the lights to come on.

Teams that are winning generally don’t move on from their QB’s. Bad to mediocre QBs generally have their fifth year options. Good QB’s get extended long before then. We kept EJ for 4 years. Allen won’t be outright cut. I wouldn’t be surprised if some Allen competition was brought in unless he vastly improves. In fact, at this point, I’m praying that we draft a QB decently high next year.

Every good QB gets an extension before their fifth year. The bad ones do not. This does not bode well for, “he has until the fifth year option to prove himself.” The league data supports that we’ll know who he is by then.

Scoreboard.

Yeah the ones who didn’t get that deal SUCKED. Mariota (lost his job to Tannehill). Winston (SUCKS). Manziel (SUCKS.) Paxton Lynch (SUCKS). Bridgewater knee exploded and (SUCKS). Is that your argument? Allen is like those dudes?

If you read the other thread, it’s quite literally been said by multiple posters.

How many good QBs drafted in the first round have not proven they are worth an extension long before their fifth year?

Goff. Wentz. Luck.

We pulled the plug on EJ long before then. If the plan is to gear up a great team with a good QB on a cheap rookie deal, waiting until year 5 isn’t an option.

I would say most QB’s who turn out to be good have that game by the end of year two.

If you follow the conversation, I was asked point blank what QB I’d rather have. If you look too forward, you might miss the posts I’m responding to.