BringBackOrton

Oh they absolutely did. I posted the stats up thread. Dalton and Tanny both made strides between years 1-3

Hahaha RACK EM

Andy Dalton hasn’t been very bad his whole career. Neither has Ryan Tannehill. Excellent news.

Watson was electric ON DAY ONE. Did you watch him play? Why was Minshew able to be so productive with zero NFL experience when Allen had a year on him? The excuses continue to tumble tumble tumble. Other rookie QB’s were infinitely better than Josh as a rookie, but “the learning curve in the NFL is steep!” I don’t expect Allen to be as good as Deshaun Watson as a rookie, because Watson is just a flat out much better player. That’s the problem.

If that’s the case, they are doing it exactly right.

Yeah Mahomes and Watson were drafted only a year before Allen, so yeah, they are his contemporaries. Even better, Watson was still “technically a rookie” when Allen was in his rookie year. Goff is debateable? Absurdity. Goff benefits from better coaching but he is ABSOLUTELY a better QB than Allen today. It’s not even close.

Mayfield is a better QB. So is Mahomes, Watson, Minfield, Goff. Hang your hat on Josh being better than Rosen and Darnold if you wish. I’m sure some Andy Dalton fans were pleased that Andy was better than Brandon Weeden.

Here’s a fun game. Let’s look at the first and second 16 starts of some other young QB’s that most of TBD thinks aren’t good enough. Andy Dalton Year 1 3398 yards, 20 TD’s 13 INT Year 2 3639 27 TD 16 INT Ryan Tannehill Year 1 3294 12-13 Year 2 3913 24-17 Derek Carr Year 1 3270 21-12 Year 2 3987 32-13 Will Josh Allen hit those lofty stats of dudes who “suck” by the end of his second year? Or is this another, “the Bills need to demand better QB play, except not like that!!!!!”

I thought playing the “LOL STATS” game was stupid. Didn’t you say that two pages ago? i guess when the goal is to defend a mediocre QB whose contemporaries make him look like a failure, anything is fair game as ammunition if it suits your argument.

I think it’s obvious at this point that there isn’t much difference between Allen’s career trajectory and the others of young QB’s who have fizzled out. You can hope that things change, but I wouldn’t be putting money on Allen becoming a franchise cornerstone right now, and I question the judgement of anyone who would.

So what? You know that a journalists job is not to lob softballs in pressers, right? Not the race card GG!

The 2007 Pats had a point differential of 315. 1990 Bills had a differential of 165. That’s a large difference. Brady and Moss set insane records that year.

Idk, we heard “he’s basically a rookie still” about TT here until he proved he was trash.

Anyway, This is extremely superficial analysis because it lacks the context of the Brian Hoyers of the world throwing 50x a game in blowouts. The facts remain that the QB’s who throw for the top 5 or 10 amount of yards and touchdowns pretty consistently are incredible QB’s, the QB’s who do it every couple of years are decent, and the QB’s who never do it suck. And when you have QB’s who suck they will almost always lose more in their career than QB’s who are good.

Mediocre being synonymous with above average is an interesting way to frame things.

I said please stop, because ranking a kicker higher than a QB in positional importance is honestly the most asinine football take I have ever read. It’s so asinine that you can’t even be trolling, because that would be one of the worst troll attempts I’ve ever seen on this board. You are saying Adam Vinatieri was more important to the Colts success over the course of his career than Peyton was. Or Gostkowki has been more important than Brady. And your justification is, “the Bills missed a kick and lost a game.” And you even ranked it even with the punter which is even more bananas. An average team with a good QB and an average kicker wins 100/100 times against an average team with an average QB and a good kicker. So, enough. Seriously.

We had 7-8 guys go to the HoF because we went to 4 Superbowls. Yeah, I think the 2007 Pats thrash the 93 Bills. Just like every SB matchup.

I mean, the 18-1 Pats? Come on man.

Exactly. It isn’t “building a team wrong” if you take a star prospect DB over a middling edge prospect. Please google recency bias and please stop.

This has to be a joke.

This is the correct list.

You said, “instead of,” as if it was one’s fault instead of the other.

Imagine claiming Allen is way better than he should be, but then saying his OC sucks.

Absolutely. However, I wonder if it’s possible that every single OC since Jim Kelly era has sucked. Or, perhaps, that it’s more likely that the QB’s since Kelly have been the deficient ones. Are there more quality OC’s in the world or more quality QB’s?

And yet, prior to last game, Allen showed that he would mostly ignore Beasley this season. Not sure if it’s trust or what, but he has never been Allen’s go to target.