BringBackOrton

Reddog slams it down with authority! Bring on the Gif's! Reddog just ethered you with fun facts. I don't think someone being "reasonable" about TT and his performance would ever put him at 7. Or 8. Or 9. Or 10. Which is why I challenged what you said.

We shall see. We counted on Ragland and Shaq "easily" replacing Spikes/Bradham and Mario.

Most teams don't make the postseason.

That's pretty presumptive. I don't think we know if we have replaced either.

I like Rivers, but him and Nate Kaeding shouldn't have gotten invited. Better play out of either of them and LT might have won a ring.

If we cut Reggie, is that like losing a first rounder in 2017? Do we get a second rounder back? Does anyone have the math on this?

He is definitely due for a 120 yard 2 TD performance this year, and TBD will freak.

Him and EJ shared that.

If you think someone could "reasonably put him at 7" (direct quote from you, pay attention), then we'll never agree. That's just far too high. 8 is also too high. And 9. And 10. I appreciate you trying to parse language to play the snark game, even though I knew exactly what you said, and responded correctly.

You didn't say he had the 7th to 15th best QB season in 2015?

7.... I don't think we're gonna agree on anything, my friend.

We aren't "getting back" players we already had. Lawson and Sammy both played half the year last season. Losing Gilmore is going to hurt. I still think we need to bring back Byrd.

How did TT rank as a QB in 2015?

I've heard of a sophomore slump. Not a 7th year super senior slump. 2015 TT was the 20th best passer or so. That being hard to match for him is a bad sign. But I literally said yes. I wouldn't be happy.

He trended down.

Yes. I saw no improvement from 15-16. A QB who isn't trending up is a bad sign.

I noted them in the next post. Leaving out one point and including 10 others isn't "cherry-picking."

Oh, that's why there was the screaming match about signing Orton . Marrone only had 2 drafts with the Bills.... Rex only drafted 1 RB or OL in the top 3 rounds of his two drafts. But he was committed, I guess. This is what I'm talking about with the bad arguments.

I don't disagree. It cuts both ways, but it's hard to quantify X positive plays outweighing X negative plays and viceversa. I was discussing sacks in the context of the Bills "passing less than everybody else." Looking at the sack and scramble numbers, it's arguable we were not #32 in pass plays called.

Cherry picking? I listed almost every passing stat. We ARE discussing his passing stats. I agree the scrambles do something to offset his poor passing numbers. But they don't wash out his deficiencies either. TT is expected to play efficient football. In 2016, he wasn't really. Outside of INT's. I understand att/game are going to be low in this offense. But instead of seeing 32 in attempts/31st in yards/31st in TD's/26th in efficiency, I want to at least see 32 attempts/26th in yards/20th in TD's/15th in efficiency. That's not unreasonable if he's gonna stick around, IMO.

"No one here is as good as the guys on the team that doesn't pay me anymore" - Gillislee on his new team.

Who should he have picked up in 2013 and 2014? His GM was the guy who shoved EJM down his throat, and didn't even want to sign a decent backup. Do you think Whaley was saying "whatever you want, I'll get for you, Saint Doug?" Marrone on the Jags just acquired a RB with the #4 overall pick so that kills your "he doesn't even try to improve the running attack" argument in its crib. You said he had horrific running games. An above average YPC and top 2 gross yards attack is not "horrific" by any metric or standard by reasonable folks.

Sort of but not really. They had 3 less attempts than the Dolphins, but the Phins had 16 less sacks, so it's feasible that we had more passing plays called. And even if you say no, those 3 extra attempts translated to 30 more completions, 10 more TD's, 2.1 increased in TD%, 95.5 passer rating (compared to the Bills offense 86.7), a .9 yard more Y/A, a full yard more NY/A, and an extra 20 passing YPG. TT ain't gonna put up Brees numbers. But to be the man, you gotta beat the man. And that man is Ryan Tannehill and Matt Moore. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/#all_passing

Several players sucked independently of Rex's scheme.

I'm glad I can strike your mood.