BringBackOrton

Saying the sky is blue is also spot on. And about as exciting to read as yet another decent topic taken over by the CoT.

I'm confused, is this the Andrew Luck thread? Take your constant propping up of a deficient QB elsewhere. 1 more year to go.

Pegula gave Whaley an extension first. He believed in him enough to warrant an extension:

He's been better in his first 5 years than every QB on that list, yes. Peyton hadn't been to a Super Bowl, let alone won one yet. He threw 23 INT's on his way to 6-10 in year 4. You try to twist things to an absurd level. It's boring.

What results would you like me to pull? Can we discuss how even though Andrew Luck has been the best #1 overall QB in 30 years, you consider him over hyped?

They won. 1-3 in the AFC South baby! Go Rodgers!

Because those are plays that I've watched TT and to a lesser extent Tanny make consistently that just stat pad. Those plays could be incompletions or sacks or short passes but they don't change the outcome of the drive and thus don't help win games.

LOL. This is just sad. Luck has absolutely lived up to the hype. He was hyped as a quality QB out of the box. Can someone name the last #1 overall QB to go to the playoffs their first three seasons? Can someone name the last #1 overall QB to make a CCG in his third year starting? You'll be looking back before Peyton was drafted, at least. But, being the best #1 QB drafted in 20 years is being overhyped.

The 2008 Packers played the AFC South funnily enough. Lost to the Texans, Jags and Titans. All with A A Ron. Luck has more 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives in his career already than Rodgers.

Luck made the playoffs more in his first 5 years than Rodgers did.

But you also thought that it was a stretch that McBeane didn't believe in TT as the guy soooo.

Last year, Dareus missing half of our games last year while our defense sucked was a problem. You're digging in and being absolutely obtuse. Our best defensive player missing half our games because he was a moron matters.

W-L isn't a QB stat though. Bears haven't had a defense over 20th in points allowed in the last 4 years and for two years they were 31st and 30th. Give Cutty that defensive personnel and we'd be challenging Brady.

Cutler is the one of the three to play at a high level at least sporadically, although I would listen to Tanny. 6 yard passes on 3rd and 7 make TT's make Tanny's stats look all pretty, but they don't win games.

Cutler at QB and then yeah.

Staring with one.

Have you donated $50? Do the beneficiaries of the $25,000 care how rich the person who gave it away is?

Johnny Manziel would've been OROY on the 2014 Bills. Don't @ me.

One of of the best players missed a bus with a history of smoking pot and getting caught with multiple suspensions, getting arrested, drag racing, showing up fat, playing undisciplined football in key moments, etc etc. Just thought I'd fix that for you. The tub of goo PR team is in full force.

No. We actually have anti-behavioral clauses. Rare in the NFL.

The Pegulas have voted to rip away 4 teams from their fanbases in just 3 years of ownership. Should we really be worried about Bob Jovi right now?

His attitude is A problem. Not THE problem.

Ha ha ha.

It affects the team. It affects the disciplined culture we are trying to building. And you can't just hand-wave the suspensions to the other crap. It's clear Dareus doesn't care about his team mates or his bad actions because he pulls **** like this regardless of the consequences over and over and over. This is day one stuff, really.

Because off the field affects on the field. And yes, many posters many times have bemoaned the fat tub of goo for being, well, an undisciplined fat tub of goo. Unluckily, Whaley's last gift was to make this clownshow uncuttable. It's not talked about as much because there's not much to be done.