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McD/Leslie Frazier get my vote for team MVP. Offensive is Josh no question.

It’s not ironic, because if I’m ever wrong it’s a typo or a brain fart, never a mistake borne of complete ignorance of the Bills or the NFL in general. I dunked on that dude like Dominique Wilkins. Time to kiss the ring! Over the course of a year, they play a mix of different opponents. One QB’s defense allows 31 ppg on average. The others’ allows 16 ppg on average. Which teams’ offense (including QB) is under more pressure to perform to produce wins? I can’t remember saying “it’s all defense”, but do feel free to point me to the post.

NO NO MORE OCTOGENARIAN BANDAIDS. No more Andre Johnson’s. No more Vontae Davis’s. No more Mike Tolberts. No more Frank Gores. ENOUGH. Trade for Thielen over signing Larry Fitzgerald’s corpse.

Incredible post after calling the Bills being 6th in rushing yards one of the worst rushing attacks in the NFL. You know that if you just say incredibly wrong things, they don’t become true, right?

Fitz has better weapons that the Bills? Murray has better weapons? Leveon Bell is having the worst year of his career and averaging 3.3 YPC on the season. Devin Singletary has more rushing yards, started 6 less games and played in 2 less on the year. Our OL is above average in pass pro. We are 6th in the NFL in rushing yards. Yes none of them are winning a lot. None of them have a great defense or the great “weapons” either. Doesn’t that mean they are asked to do MORE? You must not watch a lot of the NFL. Is it easier to produce 17 points on offense or 32 points on offense? Serious question.

I think you go FA and draft for all positions. Or trade. Our OL strategy worked quite well last year. Pickup a couple guys via draft and FA and see who is best. If we sign another decent WR and then draft one, that’s perfect, same with DE, especially with Hughes’ on the downslope. Ideal scenario would be 2 years from now, your young guys would be coming into their own while the older FAs have only a year or two left on their deals but still contribute.

Right away is unfair but he refuses to tie himself to a guy who had proven nothing and was actively regressing. It’s a little mercenary, but as a coach your job isn’t to love a guy so much your team loses because of it. It’s one of the chief reasons I gave him a pass for exercising his option and walking away. Coaches who tie themselves to a deficient QB lose and get fired quite often in the NFL. I wouldn’t have coached the Bills either if the GM said EJ Manuel is your QB.

I mean this post is just sooooo hyperbolic. No QB is asked to do more? I guess Fitz, Rosen, Carr, Darnold, Murray have teams oozing with talent? Mediocre to poor line?? Allen benefits from the #2 defense in the NFL. That is a benefit that 30 NFL teams don’t have right there. Kinda bananas to be honest.

I actually wasn’t wrong on his stats. He really was 3/9 prior to that last drive. You can check the game log.

I think the Pats played as hard against the Chiefs, they were playing for 1st seed. The Chiefs are better offensively than the Bills at skill positions and QB, no doubt.

I feel like I haven’t said anything crazy. Allen clearly stepped up and played better at the end of the first half and second half. He had a decent game overall, not great but not horrific. Much better than his first performance against the Pats. But up til that final drive of the first half, the offense was bad and he was bad. Even getting a gift wrapped drive almost in the redzone, they couldn’t get 6. I don’t think that’s unfair or unreasonable, but I know QB talk is hot button after a loss. He’s either a complete failure or the rest of the team failed him. In my opinion, if you want to be the man, you have to be the man. If you want to be blameless after a loss as a leader of an offense, you have to put up points, sustain drives and make a lot of plays. Some folks ask, would you rather have Allen throw 300+ yards and 3TD’s in a game and lose than 150 yards and win? And the answer is it depends. In a do or die game in the playoffs, no. In a Super Bowl, no. Every week, no. But it’s okay every once in a while for your QB to play great and carry the team and still lose. All of the great QB’s have done it A LOT.

Again, TOP is an indictment, not an excuse. Offense didn’t sustain drives, and a large part of that was Allen completing 3-9 passes for a low amount of yards. Sure, defense allowed long drives as well. To beat the Pats historically, you have to keep them off the field. Both units failed.

The Chiefs defense out played the Bills defense, which sucks as well. You could argue another difference is that Mahomes is better than Allen, but that’s okay too.

Compared to Josh Allen’s performance last time against the Pats and he played leaps and bounds better as well. Well enough to beat the Pats is debateable, but it’s not debateable he did better.

It’s easy to point at completion percentage as a clear sign Allen is much improved this year compared to last. I don’t think it’s unnecessary at all. Especially when it passes the eye test.

You don’t understand that Allen playing extremely poorly for 29 minutes and 27 seconds proves that he did play poorly for a large stretch of the game?

Absolutely true. Allen makes a lot of big boy throws. There’s an accurate middle ground that Allen can’t continue to fall asleep for drives at a time against good teams, but he absolutely makes key plays as well.

I’m sorry, my math was wrong lol. I meant 29 minutes and 27 seconds. See above. Forgot there’s 30 minutes in a half lol.

Not to mention, the board was SCREAMING when the Bills offense was passing a ton in the first Q of the season. Lots of “Josh isn’t Brady! We need to run the ball more!” Guess what that resulted in? More TOs from our QB. And those games were when Devin was banged up and missing time. Another one of those weird coincidences that we were more “aggressive” passing with banged up RB’s. Maybe McD went to Vegas and had won big at blackjack that weekend.

Not changing the premise. The premise was that Allen can be bad for large chunks of games. Allen was 3/9 for 19 yards and sack for the first 14 minutes and 27 seconds of the Pats game. That’s bad for a lot of time. admit it.

Sure, he had a really good drive at the end of the half. Prior to that drive he was horrific. It’s okay for it to be both. Also, your stats are wrong. Prior to the 33 second mark in the half, Allen had 3 complete passes.

9. He was averaging like 3 yards per attempt and had taken a sack. if that’s not playing at your basement for a large chunk of a game, what is? If you saw Mitch Trubisky have that almost half, like he has at least once this year, you wouldn’t say he has played fine. Yes or no. Josh Allen was 3/9 for 19 yards and a sack taken prior to the 33 second mark in the half? Of course it matters. Need to complete passes to extend drives and throw more passes. You act like 9 attempts is a defense. It’s more of an indictment. Josh had a bad Trubisky-esque half up until the TD drive. It’s okay to admit. You won’t burst into flames for blasphemy.

WHAT?? Allen had like completed like 3 passes in the first 28 minutes of the NE game.

Exactly. Patrick Mahomes put up 26. Watson put up 28. We can all agree Allen isn’t at those dudes’ level yet. But somehow, we need to fire the OC because Allen didn’t outperform Mahomes against a great D.

@Kelly the Dog‘s premise is that passing is aggressive but also running is aggressive if you’re Lombardi. Going for the kill throwing deep is aggressive but playing for overtime isn’t conservative if you’re good. Time to end the topic when the guy who set the discussion can’t even keep straight his own parameters.