BringBackOrton

They weren't top ten in scoring in 2015. Wrong again. Ask your friend next if he can tap in for you because you're dying out here. Remembers folks, Kirby really meant "Winning (and DVOA) is all the matters!"

My point is that you've shifted the goalposts this entire time. First it was the "same" offense was better (even though the offense was clearly not the same, and the passing offense got way worse), then it was winning more is all that matters (except that KO had a better record in 2014 than TT did in 2015 and 2016 AND, here's the kicker, KO has a higher winning percentage as a Bills starter than TT). The .gif may have been old but it's pretty well deserved. You've been misinformed or just flat out wrong this entire argument. Please shift the goalposts again though. Maybe talk about how having a great run game is all that matters and that's why TT > KO. Or just say uncle.

Sorry, bud. Winning more is all that matters. Let's ask the expert. Ouch. Tough to argue against yourself.

That's a worse winning percentage than Kyle Orton had as a starter. You lose. AGAIN.

The Bills went 8-8 and 7-9 his first two seasons.

The Jeff Fisher Rams killed everybody

That's the same thing for Foles. Both numbers are faulty.

It took him three seasons to win as much as the 2014 Bills. I know we're all celebrating the Pats loss, but let this be a lesson to the kids. Don't drink and post. Also, I followed up your unoriginal .gif with one of my own. Or did you pop in your Entourage DVD to make that one just now?

That's true! Orton's/EJ's passing offenses - 18th in yards, 15th in TD's Tyrod's/EJ's passing offenses - 28th in yards, 20th in TD's Tyrod saved the offense!

You and I have very different opinions of "same." Shady, Harvin, Clay, Incognito, Karlos, Gillislee. Versus Freddy's corpse, Spills, Urbik, Bryce Brown, Scott Chandler etc. Yes, the exact same personnel. Also TT got them to 12th in points that year. All it took was a future HoF RB, the highest paid UFA TE, a Pro Bowl G, and an OROY candidate to get the Bills offense to move up 6 spots. Thank God for Tyrod!

That's because he has several games in his career where he played a handful of snaps which brings down his AVG. As a starter in Philly, his YPG blows TT's out of the water.

Of course he has. But Wentz IS a franchise QB, not just a possible one. Not taking anything away from Foles. He got hot at the right time and played out of his mind.

Yes, but some QB's look good on the big stage one year and never look good again.

Neither Foles nor Wentz have big contracts anyway, they won't get a lot of savings either way.

Besides his rookie year and Rams year (the same year that Case Keenum also seemed to magically bounce back from), he's been pretty good.

Whose trade value is higher? Who will cost less at the QB position over the next 3 years? You are right, though. This could quite possibly be the only SB victory Wentz ever gets.

How could you not like a playcall that would've worked if the player doesn't commit an unnecessary penalty? "It would've been an easy TD catch but I didn't like the call."

Tyrod is worse in 2/3 of your criteria, but gets ranked #1? Is this a troll attempt? Shocking to me that some people can watch this and think he has a chance here. KO getting his head taken off for no reason could've doomed the year.

48 second mark. THAT'S how you play QB!

I don't think it's that cut and dried. KB and his height is not a bad option in the EZ. Run on first down and get a hold. Now it's 1st and goal from the 10. It's the exact same scenario.

It's 100% true. Orton dragged that 2014 offense to 18th in points. If TT was their QB, they might have been the worst offense in the NFL.

What am I reading? What is the "Deal of the Century?" What the hell is going on out there?

Thank you! Objectivity. I actually don't see a lot of blame for TT on that goalline throw around here. It's a contested throw to a covered player and it's low percentage as all hell.

It's Orton > TT. Ability to play the position and run an offense matters. Orton elevated the offense in ways TT never did.

Wow, sounds like you got a lot of free time on your hands. Did the supermarket not need their groceries bagged today? That's true, but even so, I don't feel like we ran the ball effectively at all that day. Without the PI, this is a non-issue. KB's greatest asset is his size. He was born for jump balls in single coverage in the RZ. If the ball is bad, which it was, 2nd and goal at the one. Which is fine.