BringBackOrton

Incredibly, the Sammy trade ended up costing us basically nothing.

They think highly of his choice in adult videos, maybe.

So you're a !@#$ing lawyer? I knew there was a reason I didn't like you.

Absolutely right. Much like everything else, it's a multifactorial problem. There's certainly behavioral and genetic components at play as well. And social. It's why I'm personally against all psychotropics unless medically necessary. You never know if you have the right combo of personality and genetic susceptibility to have a bad outcome.

I'd take one. Can't waste all 4 roster spots when they get caught hotboxing in the parking lot. It's actually quite a bit more complicated than that. The psychophysiology of dependence actually results in a rewiring of the brain, especially in the centers that deal with inhibition and higher order functioning. Basically impulse control is faulty. If you asked these guys why throw away millions to smoke weed, they'd tell you they know it was stupid. They aren't incapable of understanding. I assume they, for the most part, care. They lack impulse control. They see it or think about it and they want it. Consequences in that moment be damned. It basically makes their brains dumb teenagers again.

Where's Marty Bryant, Ricky Williams, Marcell and Josh Gordon etc etc at? I believe they have a dilutional quota, as in, if we think you're pounding water for days to beat the test, you still get a positive result. Not with a suspension. Suspensions don't care about legality.

All 4 aren't good enough to be worth debating.

In math, 3 is greater than 1. In football, 1 good/great player is greater than 2 sucky players and 1 okay player.

And we already agreed pick #16 is a first round pick. So EJ cost a first round pick. That was way harder than it needed to be.

You stop changing the subject. Okay, but EJ was taken with #16 which was a first round pick. That's what he cost. Pick #16. Glad we're on the same page.

What was the name announced that the Bills had selected with pick #16 in the first round?

That was 8 picks earlier. I'm pretty sure he only announced one name at pick #16. Do you remember that name?

We drafted two draft picks AND EJ with pick #16? Weird, do you have footage of how Roger announced that?

Actually, when we drafted EJ, the other two were still undrafted. Only one player was drafted #16 overall. Who was it? Weird but true story, both the 2013 NFL and NBA drafts were the worst in decades. What were parents in 1990-1993 doing?

Who was selected with the #16 pick?

Who was taken with the #16 pick again? What round is the #16 pick in? The answer: EJ. 1. Irrefutably.

EJ cost a first round pick. Stop railing against reality.

But the pick was used in the first round to draft that player. The Bills could have drafted a lot of players with their first round pick at #16. They drafted EJ. They could no longer draft anybody with pick #16. Because it was used to draft EJ. The drafting of EJ was done with pick #16. Pick #16 is in the first round. They no longer could draft a player with pick #16. Pick #16 was spent, used, bartered, offered, to draft EJ. EJ was drafted, selected, picked, acquired with pick #16. Pick #16 is a first round pick. EJ cost a first round pick, which is pick #16, which is a first round pick. There is no such thing as less than a first round pick in the first round. They are all first round picks, with differences in value. But they are all first round picks. Or else they would be picks in other rounds. Every player in the history of the NFL drafted in the first round cost AT LEAST the first round pick used to select them. You cannot be drafted in the first round without costing a first round pick. Or else you wouldn't be drafted in the first round. Pick 1 and pick 32 are both first round picks. Every single player drafted 1- 32 cost picks 1-32. Picks 1 - 32 are first round picks. The first round consists of picks 1-32.

Yes but the 15th pick is worth less than the 8th pick so Kenny cost less than a first round pick.

Pick 16 was worth less than pick 8. But they were both first round picks. You cannot cost "less" than a first round pick unless you are a pick in, you guessed it, the second or later round. Did anyone tell the Saints that their pick #15 of Kenny Vaccaro didn't cost them a first round pick?

All picks in round one are first round picks. You admit EJ was taken with pick #16 and thus cost a first round pick! Eureka.

So where did pick 8 go in this bizarre thought experiment that pick 16 was only 70% of itself?

How many players were selected with pick #16? Which round is pick #16 in?

How many players were selected with pick #16? What round is pick #16 in?

LJ and the Saints are a very intriguing combo. Life after Brees in 1 or 2 years of Sean Payton grooming Jackson? That offense would be potent with AK, MI, and LJ as a triple threat in the backfield. Probably the best hope the Saints have of maintaining their offense after Brees.