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I agree with this. White has shown some moxie and played pretty well against the Bills, so Bills fans have a bias, but his overall body of work isn't that great. That said, he's fairly young, cheap, a gamer, and knows our division (Miami in particular), so not a bad idea to put him on the PS. He's certainly no worse, and probably better, than DiNucci, Brown, and Buchele.

I think that all of the named players are worthy of a spot on the PS. That said, the Bills are going to look at who was released around the league, particularly guys they liked as UDFAs after the draft that went to other teams and veterans and positions of need (Safety comes to mind). Some of these guys will definitely be back on the PS. My predictions: Shavers - looked good and have been developing him for a couple of seasons now Gore - looked good Hardy (unless his injury is severe) - draft pick and looked good Hamler - good athlete that might get another shot at a swiss-army-knife kind of role Jonathan - looked good and have been developing him for a couple of seasons now Clapp - veteran interior OL depth Davidson - looked good in camp, has some pass catching ability Gouriage - been developing him over last couple of years D. Williams - veteran DT depth That's 9, plus White makes 10. I suspect there will be another 2-3 from the list above and 3-4 from other teams' castoffs.

Thanks for the clarification. Put me down for 2 Generic. One for Mike W. and one for Mike C. I'm not sure I can get everyone there by 8AM, so if Prime is going to shut down earlier, we're better suited in Generic.

I see above that spaces are $60. Is that for Generic or Prime? Is there a certain arrival time required for either Generic or Prime to secure the spot? I'd like 2 spaces and will update on Generic vs. Prime as soon as I have clarification. Thank you!

I heard he's faster than Keon Coleman, so there's that too.

Patrick was a pretty good player before the injuries, so if he ends up being released, he might find Buffalo an attractive place to check out, because: 1) playing with Josh Allen is good for a receiver 2) the Bills are one of the better teams in the league 3) after losing Diggs and Davis, and potential injury issues with Samuel and MVS, there might be a shot for playing time and an important role. I probably wouldn't trade an asset for him, but if he's available, I'd be in favor of bringing him in for a workout and see if there's a fit. It does seem odd to me that if he's having such a good camp and preseason that he can't crack the top-5 or 6 in Denver.

I bought and use Nugenix because of the endorsement of Doug Flutie and Frank Thomas. And SHE likes it too! I kid...I have never purchased Nugenix, but you can be sure that the ads are working because if it wasn't for Flutie and Big Hurt, I would have zero idea of what Nugenix is. It would just be some random supplement commercial that I ignored.

Unless the pick was in the 1st or 2nd round....but, realistically, yes, Elam for Kyle Allen and a late round draft pick is not a good trade. Elam finally seems to be developing into the player he was drafted to be, and the Bills have invested heavily in his development. And Kyle Allen is not very good. He's not beating out Russell Wilson or Justin Fields (despite neither being very good) and he may well be available for nothing in the next couple of weeks, and the Bills still might not be interested.

The Bills are a better team than the Cardinals, but the Cardinals are improving and Gannon looks like a decent coach. I'm not a fan of Kyler Murray, but he can run around and make plays, so he's dangerous any given week. They cannot be taken lightly, and Miami in Week 2 notwithstanding, the Bills need to win the opener, so if these guys are borderline ready, they'll probably go. In full disclosure, I have a personal interest in this too, as I'm flying across the country to be at the opener and just dropped some serious coin on tickets. I NEED to see a win! Failure is not an option.

Dotson is a good football player, but as stated above, the Bills' needs are on the outside. I assume that they don't see Samuel's injury as long-term, or they may have been in on a move like this. Let's hope that's true. I think that a good strategy for the Bills is to find WRs who have talent and pedigree, but have been on bad teams and/or played with bad QBs. Their numbers would be well below their potential, so they can be had for reasonable salaries that fit under the Bills' cap and pairing them with Josh Allen could lead to them breaking out. I believe that's what they've done with Samuel, and to some extent, tried to do with Claypool. MVS is NOT in that category, as he's played with some excellent QBs in the past (Rodgers, Mahomes), so there's no hidden potential there to be tapped by playing with Allen - he is who we thought he is. It would be nice for the Bills to acquire a top-end $20-$20M WR, but the cap space this season does not allow for it.

While I disagree with the premise that Coleman was "wide open" on all of those plays, he was "wide open" on a couple of them and simply "open" on the others. I'd say "wide open" is when there's no defender nearby who would even have a chance to make a play on the ball, whereas "open" might mean that Coleman has a step or inside position on the defender and a good throw on the mark should be an easy completion (absent a drop). In either case, I agree with the original premise that there were completions to Coleman available on all of these plays and that with Allen at QB, some of them would have been completed passes. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

I generally don't like to get into it with folks on the message board, but I'm having a difficult time understanding your post or the source of your verbal hostility. The Bills released Morse on March 6 and publicly stated that the plan was to move McGovern to center. That was before the draft, which started on April 25. That's not an opinion or a baseless assumption. It's a fact. That's actually what happened. Since the draft, the Bills have remained with McGovern as the starting center. That's also a fact. If the rookie outplays McGovern, maybe that will change, but as of now the Bills plan is to have McGovern start at center. It's also quite possible, as you've stated, that the plan was to move McGovern to center to replace Morse at the time he was acquired before last season. I don't know if that's true or not. If I were to assert that, it would merely be an opinion or a baseless assumption, because I don't know what the Bills plans were at that time. As far long term plans, it's possible that the Bills might decide to move SVPG to center, but I don't know what will happen. I agreed with another poster who thought that is what would happen in the future. Because nobody knows what will happen, it's a good topic for discussion on a message board, which is why people come here.

Keep in mind that the move of McGovern to center took place before the draft and before they knew they'd be able to pick up SVPG with a 5th round pick. I assume they decided to stick with the plan and felt that going with an experienced NFL player was the safer bet than going with a rookie at that position. I agree that long-term, SVPG will be the answer and McGovern will be moved back to guard, or off the roster to save cap space, depending on how well David Edwards plays as a starter and how Torrence's career progresses.

Generally speaking, given injuries and roster construction, I'd say no, the Bills should not trade Cook for a 2nd day pick. To get more specific, however, if a (projected) high 2nd rounder were offered, I'd be very interested, versus a (projected) low 3rd rounder, I wouldn't be. Cook last season was more productive than his predecessors Devin Singletary and Zack Moss were with the Bills and Davis, while a promising rookie, is not yet proven in the NFL. Plus, injuries happen. Teams need at least 3 RBs that can be trusted to carry the ball in a NFL game, if not 4. Of course, I'm talking about right now. Next offseason, with another draft and free agency, and a full book on Davis, the calculus might be different.

I don't think this is true. My guess - and I have zero inside information, only common sense - is that even if the Bills offered to bring him back, he would have declined and signed elsewhere, which is exactly what happened. The circumstances were what they were at the time, and the Bills had to release the kid to eliminate the enormous distraction the situation had become. The Bills were trying to prepare for a season in which they were the favorite to win it all, and every press conference was about a rookie punter and horrible accusations that were extremely uncomfortable. It was unfortunate for everyone involved. Furthermore, he had a chance to sign with the SB champs. As much as we all love Buffalo and the Bills, who wouldn't prefer that option? Neither city is known for its great weather or nightlife, but KC players have lots of rings. Again, no disrespect to Buffalo or the Bills, but if you look at it objectively, the way it played out makes a lot of sense.

I agree that he played a fantastic game on Saturday. He was the best player on the field, probably for both teams. But it's one preseason game. It's a great story and I hope for his sake and for the Bills' sake that he can keep up the great play, make the team, and help fill the void left by LB injuries (and Dodson moving on).

Torrence was bad the other night, but he had a solid rookie season and I think that the line will come together by the time the season starts. Although many here don't like McDermott, he's not a complete moron and Kromer is a proven OL coach, so I don't think the Bills would push this experiment too far unless they had a pretty good idea that it can work. There are other options on the roster such as Clapp, SVP, etc. (I thought that Alec Anderson took some snaps at center too, but I could be wrong), so if McGovern is a disaster at center, they'd reconfigure the line. He was very solid at guard last season, so if the center experiment fails, they'll move him back to guard and go with one of the other options. If I had to guess, the Bills see SVP as the future center and are grooming him for the spot, playing McGovern until he's ready. At that point, they can release McGovern or Edwards to save on cap (next offseason) and keep the other as a starting guard. This may not have been the original plan, but I don't think the Bills expected that SVP (or a center of his caliber) would be available in the 5th round.

There are times when this is true, but only at the end of the game when the opposing team has a very potent offense and it's a game where "the last team to touch the ball is going to win the game." The last meaningful game the Bills played comes to mind. Unfortunately, not only did the Bills try to score too soon, they didn't score at all. Clock management is a legitimate part of managing an NFL game. Obviously, it's better to score "to soon" than to not score at all, but there are scenarios where both scoring and clock management are important. None of this means that using the no-huddle from time-to-time, to get the offense some momentum and/or to take advantage of something the defense is giving, is a bad thing, but I wouldn't say that the Bills need it based on what's happened in the two preseason games so far.

Jones?

This makes sense. The Chiefs' DBs are known to take a lot of liberties and get away with it, so maybe the bigger, stronger pass catchers (I use that term, given that Kincaid is technically a TE) can overcome that physicality and still make the plays.

I assume that's one of the reasons they drafted a big WR who can win contested catches (Coleman) versus a small speedy guy (Worthy). And last year, their top pick was big pass catcher in Kincaid. These guys should be able to "win" on fades and jump balls in the end zone. I have not followed camp that closely, but I do recall seeing a lot of those types of plays in the recaps.

Backups like Reich don't exist anymore. Either you have a veteran guy who can't cut it as a starter (like Mitch) or you have a young, developmental guy, who, if he shows potential, will be signed by another team to be a starter after his rookie contract runs out, or just isn't very good and flames out after bouncing around the league for a few years (like Jake Fromm, who was just signed by someone today). Thus, many teams go with a guy who had a good draft pedigree and got some starting experience, but never quite panned out as a starter. Guys like Trubisky, Blaine Gabbert, Carson Wentz, etc. There were guys like Jacoby Brissett, and Sam Darnold out there who may actually begin the season as starters, and could have been backups for the Bills, but they are well-paid, with Brissett at $8M and Darnold at $10M and the Bills didn't have cap space for them. Plus, is Sam Darnold any better than Trubisky? I'd argue they're about the same. Brissett may be a little bit better, but he's never been able to hold onto a permanent starting job anywhere himself and is pricey at $8M. So I think that Mitch is about as good a fit as anyone. If he played great in Pittsburgh, he'd be starting there this year instead of Russell Wilson or Justin Fields. He didn't, and as such, he was available as a veteran backup.

Injury aside, Buchele may have played himself off of the roster on Saturday. The Bills need a 3rd arm for the rest of the preseason and maybe DiNucci ends up being the Practice Squad QB this season. I don't think he'll beat out Trubisky for the backup job.

Don't leave out Heath Shuler, 3rd overall to the Redskins in '94. To his credit, he served in Congress after his NFL career flamed out. And that was back in the day when being a member of Congress was more or less honorable and worthy of respect.

Trubisky is a good backup for the current Bills team. If he were without his flaws, he'd be a starter somewhere else. He's got a lot of NFL starting experience and has played well in spots. He's got a live arm and some mobility. He appears to be a team-first kind of guy who will support Allen and be a good influence in the QB room. I believe that he could be a serviceable starter for the Bills if he got a full week of reps with the first team offense. Will he be Josh Allen? No. Will he be a superstar QB, worthy of his draft status? No (that ship has sailed). Is he going to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs? No. Could he win a couple games as a starter, if the Bills had a semblance of a running game and played solid defense and special teams? Yes. He wasn't very good in Pittsburgh the last couple of years, but nobody else the Steelers trotted out was any good either, and I think they may all be gone. Maybe that "Duck" guy is still around? I know they have Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, two guys who were not very good last year with the teams they were on.