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I mean if anyone knows how to develop a leader it's Terry ... Look at what he did with Ryan O'Reilly and then Jack Eichel! Two cup winners....

JMO but I think the situation with Diggs will have the Bills be gun-shy on this kind of massive move. Sure Diggs worked out perfectly initially... They wanted a proven weapon for a young QB getting his feet under him, and Diggs was that. But when we re-signed Diggs to the massive deal we went counter what KC did... They traded away Hill in the same year betting on their QB to raise the level of play around him. We Dumped tons of money into Diggs. Fast forward to now and we're dealing with massive dead cap from Diggs basically forcing his way out in what became an ugly divorce. Hills is making gobs of money in Miami but already wants a new deal... But they haven't even won the division. Meanwhile KC stands as SB Champs. You need good WRs for sure, and like many here I am concerned about ours. But giving up a boat load of draft capital plus $30M per year to a WR just seems like a bad investment. Unless a dude is 100% ALL IN on your team, you just can't sink that kind of money into them. If they're unhappy 1-2 years from now, you've completed boned yourself capwise for at least a year. Players are predominantly mercenaries, they don't give a flying F about teams, fans, dynasty building, salary cap, etc... if we move a bunch of assets for Ayuik, sure hell be loyal once he gets paid... Until he's not. Then it's a problem again for us, and he'll already be eating massive amounts of our cap space. It's fun to think about what this offense could be with him, but honestly it's a bad move business wise, and yes that does matter. The bigger concern for me is them not double or even triple dipping at WR in the draft to try and rebuild the room organically like the Bengals have done year over year. They put a lot of eggs in one basket with Coleman and I'll never understand not even taking a late flier when we had a gazillion late picks. But no, we shouldn't mortgage our future cap situation and draft assets which are cost controlled players of the future just for a run and Ayuik.

For me with Knox it all depends on th development of Kincaid as a blocker and how they use the two in packages under Brady. Knox is an above average NFL TE with good hands who can also block. That's a great package to have, he's an NFL starter. But you also have Kincaid... So the questions are: 1) Can Kincaid learn how to block inline along with his off the line play? 2) how do they use the two of them... IE is Knox predominantly a blocker who sometimes goes out, or is he used how he was 2 and 3 years ago? If he's used as a blocker, you let him walk... You pay him an AAV of $9M because of his all around play, you can get a pure blocker for pennies comparatively. Kincaid is the clear future from a pass catching perspective by volume, but if he's just a WR playing TE they need to platoon different TEs. So long and short, Knoxs re-signing value comes from usage and Kincaid's development. There 100% is room for both a-la Gronk/Hernandez... But yo justify it you need the right scheme, production, and growth from Kincaid in blocking.

1) WR shake out - this includes Kincaid and his progression as I think he factors in A Lot at slot. I also don't think our WR situation is as dire as others do, but how it shakes out will be a huge indication of how they want to run the offense. So more strictly WR, who stays, who goes, who can step up, and how will they be used... Which leads to #2 2) Brady's Offense - we've seen Daboll and Dorsey, now it's time to truly see Brady... He has OC experience at LSU and in Carolina, he's not a rookie like Dorsey was, and he knows these guys as well as Samuel from Carolina... How does he build a multiple scheme to attack defenses with these players to maximize their abilities? 3) Safety... Can Bishop start right away? Who is going to start opposite him? Can they be even as dynamic as last year with worn down Hyde/poyer... I won't hop for "in prime Hyde/poyer" until we see a full year of Bishop and whoever else starts. 4) pass rush... How are they going to generate pressure? Is it scheme, blitzes, or what? They opted to not address the loss of their top producer, so what happens here? I expect them to be looking for a trade partner quick if these guys look flat. 5) O-Line and how it gels - last year was the best O-Line they had for Josh, and they let Morse walk and moved McGovern... So 2 slots are different than 2023. Not the continuity you'd want. My hope is Van Pran-Granger really is the steal many have projected and he steals that C spot with McGovern kicking back to OG. Either way there is more change than you'd want to see on a line that was very good most of last year.

There is only one Teef, and you sir are no Teef! You're more of a TWSS...

Man that BBMB was a trip! I still kinda miss it lol. I remember the day I got perma-banned for quoting a spambot And T&C and Jimbo banned me for proliferating spam... It was. Dark day... For me at least. That place was straight up toxic half the time, but that's part of what made it hilarious.

I concur with the widespread sentiment that we will more than likely only make moves to dump guys who were unlikely to make our 53 and acquire late rounds picks in 2025 or 2026. I also will remind people that Beane sometimes does bottom roster player for bottom roster player. That's how we got Ryan Bates... In 2019 we traded Eli Harold to Philly for Bates in a bottom roster player swap. We had tons of DEs, and they had tons of IOL so it made sense. Don't be shocked if something like this is done as well if the Bills aren't happy with depth at a certain spot, but have boat loads at another. The likelihood of an "Impact Trade" that really moves the needle is almost zero IMO, we're not in a cap space to add guys who are overpaid and have worn out their welcome. If a team has a starter on a reasonable deal, that means we're going to need to mortgage the farm... Again not going to happen. We're in a re-tooling mode where we're cycling out old dudes on huge deals for youth. We simply can't afford to give up a bunch of premium assets for 1 guy. We need more than that long term, so it's a bad business decision to give up those picks we added unless it's a home run, which is highly unlikely. Beane is smart, he plays it close to the vest and wheels and deals every year to add some depth picks etc... I expect him to be his usual prudent self and not panic or overreach at this point, but he'll definitely play some bottom roster shuffle games if we have a dance partner.

I think the rookies will be held back a bit early on and take a larger role later in the year. In particular Bishop because McDermott is known for sitting rookies on D longer to learn the schemes. If he plays out of the gate like Edmunds did, it'd be surprising, but also a good sign of his football IQ and ability to play the role he's being asked to play on the D. Hyde and Poyer were amazing players for us for so long for 2 reasons... 1) they're superb athletes and 2) PERFECT scheme mesh of skill set and what was asked of them. It does look like Bishop will be a Poyer type player and projects well to fit. He just needs to take the steps. Coleman I am much less excited about... The kid is likeable but who cares, I want food football players and I just am not impressed. That said, I think they try to get him involved early to see what he can do. They'll platoon WRs to flatten his learning curve a bit but I think they're gonna tear him and see what they have immediately. What his production will look like... Your guess is as good as mine, but his lack of speed and lack of separation in college has me VERY concerned. Carter I think will rotate in sparingly early as he learns the role, but I could see him being much more consistent player by the end of the season. But remember, the Bills rotate D-Line like crazy to keep them fresh. He'll see 35-40% of snaps, and it won't be an indictment of his ability, it'll be because of their rotation. Davis was a nice little pick up who has quietly been praised by college football people. He's a bit older for a rookie and has some more mileage than you would expect from a rookie. But that's not a bad thing in this case because he's coming in as a situational player and to spell cook. He's a great change of pace, and when he gets moving the guy is a bowling ball. He also has a great ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and equally as important, he can pass block. I don't see him getting a massive amount of touches, but I wouldn't be surprised if his snap count is higher than people expect because of his utility ability. At the end of the day he is clearly second fiddle and the only way he's going to get a lot of snaps is if cook gets hurt. We don't want that. But I think he's going to be very productive as a change of pace back and add something to this offense that we have been lacking.

Some should be left alone... Some should be left alone... Some should be left alone...

The mahomes contract was smoke and mirrors like most NFL deals ... It was 10 year extension making it a 12 year deal but it was truly a 5 year extension (7 year deal) almost all guarantees are done in 2025... Yes he will want a new deal, and they will give it to him. All the remaining years are HUGE cap hits with no guarantees.

Not how it works... Honestly a new deal helps the bills because we have been restructuring his deal to create space year over year. His $60M in 25 is a boat anchor cap wise, and $59 in 26 is just as bad. If they restructure in 25 to alleviate some of that pressure, it kicks to the next years again. '25 isn't when they "have to" make something work, they can easily kick the can in '25 and worry about it all in '26. That's the beauty of having him with 4 more years still. But now is when you consider being proactive so you can lock up your franchise QB longer, while structuring the deal to give you 4-5 more years or flexibility rather than just year to year can kicking. Doesn't have to be done, but it's worth considering for sure. And to your silly headline point of "he can get a new contract when he gets a ring", what are we gonna do, let him walk in 2029 if he doesn't?? Lol Allen is physically the best most impressive QB in the NFL. Mahomes is better because he wins, but Allen is right there with what he can do on the football field. He's easily the best in franchise history, and his pooping on NFL records along the way. Dude is already on track for all timer and HOF if his career stays on this trajectory. Yes we a want a SB or 8, but that doesn't detract from how amazing he is. Remember, Manning was drafted in '98 and didn't win a SB til 2006... He's still top 3 QBs ever. Josh is young and has at least a decade left in him, plenty of time for at least one SB. Acting like he isn't worth a contract because he doesn't have a ring is just plain stupid and simplistic.

Is this with the projected increase in cap next year? I am assuming it is. I would expect Josh to get at the very least a restructured deal in '25 as his cap hit is $60M and then $59M in '26. Next year he'll have 4 years left but the "guarantees" shift downward like all front loaded deals. No matter what by 26-27 he's gonna want something, we're better off working on it on '25, adding term, kicking out the balloon hits, and locking Josh up for another 3-5 years... So a 5 year extension takes it to 9 under contract with a complete restructuring of how the cap hits work over the next 4 to give us breathing room. But bump his average back up to top 2-3 in the league. Frankly dude has earned it and the price is only going up. This is a smart play, unless he doesn't want to be locked in that long. But all that aside, there are still moves and cap gymnastics that needs to be done in '25, and probably '26. It's just the world you live in when you go for broke like we did in 21-23 and kept charging to the future. I will say I'm immensely impressed with how Beane has cleared it so quick... You see teams like New Orleans deal with "Cap Jail" for 10 years stuck in the cycle, and Beane made short work of it in 1 with some small carry over for '25, and we're back up and running.

Rodgers has the same situation Brady and Manning had. They have a massive voice in game plan, packages, and play calls. One play comes in and there are 3-4 concept plays in the same formation that they can change to at the line. The OC "calls the play" but it's a play with multiple change options based on what the QB sees. I can see why an OC may not want to coach a guy like Rodgers where there's a ton of ego and a 99% chance he changes every play, but the blame falls on the OC of it goes wrong. Either way, they brought in Hackett for Rodgers, so if they wanted to put someone higher, odds are that too was with Rodgers okay. I love when teams do what the Jets have done here surrendering their franchise to a player. Cleveland and Watson, Denver with Wilson (and now they wear the cap hit to clean it up).... It basically never goes well. Manning to Denver & Brady to TB were like the only time super stars of this level going to a new team worked, and frankly thats largely because they're hyper competitive but they're not the same head cases these other dudes are. I'm sure both (especially Brady) are arrogant as hell, but they also "get it". Rodgers has proven time and again he only cares about Rodgers.

Depends, did he sign a small black leather glove?

Private membership in a club is kind of similar but also kind of different because you pay the initiation and then monthlies plus whatever else you do. Some clubs also have minimum spends per month. I think PSLs are more comparable to timeshares, where you pay a large upfront fee (either lump sum or financed over time) for the right to then pay annually fees and maintenance on a property you never own, and in perpetuity you're stuck paying whatever they say. You can use that property for a set amount of time based on what you paid, but in the end you're locked in and to use th timeshare you "bought", you must then also pay whatever they say. PSLs are that upfront fee for the right to then buy season tickets which the Bills can jack the price of whenever they want, and as a PSL owner, you're stuck paying it. There technically is a market to sell your PSL and get out of the cycle, but much like timeshares it's not as easy and straightforward as it may sound.

It was about as fever pitched as the Sam Aiken preseason push for a larger role.

It's kinda fun being the team that guys like this leave to go get over paid elsewhere, rather than being the bottom feeder overpaying for run of the mill system players because we don't build our own pipeline. We lived that life for 20 years, signing the Drayton Florence's of the world because we couldn't draft worth a *****. Now we have guys who develop pipelines... Jackson, Lewis, Wallace, Johnson, Benford, and Neal if you count guys they brought from Carolina on the cheap. They leave to be paid, we cycle in Ingram, Brown, and likely will draft at least 1 probably 2 secondary guys with our 9 picks in rounds 4-7... They've done amazing things developing DBs, and I expect that to continue.

Not a fan of the tex mex, but I am a sucker for Rachel's Mediterranean Grill... It is so overpriced but it is so amazing.

This is like saying "Chick-fil-A is an upgrade to McDonald's".... While it may be true, maybe we'd rather not scarf down ***** fast food of any brand.

I mean it should be, the formula is based on signings vs lost though, so we're going to need to wait and see who we sign to offset. But yes this will count, but who knows if it's more than a 7th now a days lol

I'm more curious about where guys like Floyd and Epenesa go and for how much to see what we can get comp pick wise... Looks like Davis to the Jags on a 3 year deal but we don't know the $$$ yet.

No, none for him or for Gabe Davis to the Jags yet

I don't see a trade that's worth moving him, cutting him is still $11M dead cap for just $5M in savings... This has to be an extension which drives his 2024 cap number down and locks him up for his foreseeable career. My guess is 4 year extension taking him to 2029 (his 1 year left + 4 more), with "outs" IE: Cap Savings starting in 2026.

Hamlin sucks. He was mediocre at best in 2022, and in 2023 was worse. He was a guy they simply had to keep, and who was a great story. It's an abomination he didn't win comeback player of the year, as DUDE WAS DEAD! But he shouldn't be in the future plans even as a depth guy unless there's no other option.

It's something into am cheering for, and honeslty I'd even attend if the games were closer. Something fun to do with the kids. But that means it needs to be cheap, which means no revenue... How do you attract good players if you can't pay them? NCAA is the NFL farm system, has been for decades, and now, as was mentioned by ControllerofPlanetX, with NIL deals in place, most of these guys won't be incentivized to play in any league but the NFL. Obviously unless there's no other choice. As was mentioned, the only way for it to be viable is a true connection to the NFL either with allocation of players, or some revenue deal to bolster it's ability to draw in better players. I mean if you really want to think about how inferior the QB play is, Nate Peterman is statistically one of the worst QBs in NFL history, and he's on a roster... The dudes in the XFL and USFL were considered downgrades to that lol. I mean I want it to do well, hell I wish Buffalo still had an Arena team, that too would be fun and different, but I'm not sure how it's gonna happen. And frankly I'm not invested enough to pay money for it via streaming or something so I don't see where their revenue is gonna come from.... But if the Bills allocated 10-15 dudes to play there I would absolutely watch, and probably pay a nominal fee. But at the end of the day where's the benefit to the NFL? They can develop these guys at their own pace in their own training camps safely without worrying that they're going to get blown up in the off-season and that players done. It's a double edge sword... They're also are NFLPA concerns and salary cap discussions to be had with a partnership.