BillsShredder83

Interesting. Theres a lot of reactions saying they dont like your thought process. I hardly think we'll move him, but say for example someone calls up looking for a p4p trade? MLB/T are two positions im sure the league is aware we'd like to upgrade, maybe it tuirns into something, maybe it doesnt. I could see this as even a way of Beane doing some due diligence, give Benford some extra play time, while also being aware, it could generate a call about a player4player trade. We know what we have in Dane, give benford some time and if it draws interest worst case scenario you say no. Wouldnt shock me. I like the outside the box post

Oddly enough another poster was working on a similar post as mine at the same time last night... i dont know how to quote a post from another thread, but @LeGOATski had a theory, cant say I know its correct, but logical enough for me: "This is a high risk, high reward run play by design. It's a calculated release. They're hoping Cook makes a man miss and if he does everyone at the 2nd level is blocked. If he doesn't it's a short loss or no gain. I'm okay with that gamble when they have a shifty RB. It looks weird but it's not a mistake, as far as I know."

Going back and watching the game since i missed it yesterday. I've never done one of these posts, and admittedly am an amateur. These type of posts are usually my favorite as a reader, Wont be able to do whole game, but re-watching each play and 1 player at a time to see how our OL/DL looks, and include things that stuck out. My main focus was how we looked in the trenches, although i include a few other things that jumped out at me. I might come back and update this when I have more time... but so far Bills and Bears First Two Possessions..... BILLS D FIRST POSSESSION (3 and out i think, was a short drive if im wrong, i forgot lol) -Boogie looks like he majorly changed his body composition. not only doesnt look fat, but looks built like a brick shiz house. Saw him out there first play and couldnt see name/number, and was like who the hell is that??? What a great surprise, hopefully translates this year. -Daquan ate several double teams, one of those reps wasnt exactly a pressure, but got good penetration, and him getting his hands out caused an incompletion. Nice BILLS OFF FIRST DRIVE (Nice TD Drive) -Harty is an explosive route runner, so fast and change of direction is sudden. If he stays healthy hes going to have a nice year for us -Torrence is a monster in the run game. Above average pass blocker right now, and expect him to improve as the year goes on, but he did give up 2 pressures -Edwards looks like great depth piece, this OL wouldve been a lot better had he started here last year. Think McGovern will be a stud, so there is a drop off, however, he wont be a liability. Looked good on the drive, made smart decisions. Came in and pancaked Dawkins man when he realized he was freed up. Also, saw a play he was helping out Dion, Dion had the guy locked up well, so he slid over to help Morse out on a rep -Diggs/Davis had a real nice rub play, they both ended up open even though Diggs got the ball. -Dawkins looked lost on a few plays. Specifically a Cook run on first down that got blown up. Morse-Torrence-Brown did their jobs well, but 2 defenders came in off left side, basically untouched while Dion was looking around for someone to block. Not Edwards best rep either, but Dion looked worse -Camera work was awful on broadcast. Few plays they were zoomed out way tooooo far. Then a weird one where pre-snap, they were zoomed way the hell in, all you could see was like the tops of the helmets, they transitioned to a regular view, but the play hadyard alraedy developed. I remember last season the NFL suddenly having bad camera work quite a bit. Also, the broadcast just sucked a lot last year. I remember frequently wanting to see a replay of a big play, and theyre zoomed in on sideline not showing the play, then the next play starts, like - oh i guess nobody wanted to see that play again? Was weird as i dont ever remember this being more than a one-off thing the rest of my life. Hopefully they get it figured out -Morse is so solid, he did a great job of looking for work on plays where he didnt end up having a man -Gabes drop sucked, ughhhh. Probably a few ppl on here thought he had two, but the second one was nice defense break up. He somewhat made up for it with 2 catches though (1? i forget, was focused on line play mostly) -Few plays before the Harris TD, Kink drew a holding penalty. That was 100% a TD for him had it not happened -Good to finally see Harris out there. OL did a great job blowing their man up and opening that hole for TD DEFENSE 2ND SERIES (another quick series) -Oliver - It was noticeable on the first series to, but he looks really good. Looks like the disruptor we drafted (and extended). We've seen flashes of this before but he looks as good as he did early last year when he was a monster. Just about beating his guy off the snap, first step is both quick and explosive, his man is already going backwards from there. Hungry to make plays, hes in the backfield almost every play. Will note it here, on the 3rd drive he creates serious pressure on a play, QB steps to other side of pocket in a way where Ed's almost out of the play (having already done his job), and he turns on the burners and chases him like I've never seen lol -Floyd gets in backfield on a run, tackles already been made, and an OL innocently enough sort of has a hand on his shoulder from behind, and he whips around, and gets in his face. Absolutely love that fire, is contagious on the field -Rousseau on this drive (a short one) is in a 2pt stance twice. Cant say i remember him doing much of this last year? BILLS 2ND POSSESSION OFFENSE (Ends on Kyle Allen INT) - Saw Kincaid execute a real nice chip block! If he gets that up to speed fast, we may never leave 12 personnel -Speaking of 12 personnel. I was zoned in on Kincaid the first time I watched this play. On 2nd review of same play, KNOX ABSOLUTELY OBLITERATES HIS MAN ON A QUICK CHIP BLOCK! JUST WOWWWWWWW. Our two stud TE's helped a pretty nice 19yard completion to Sherfield develop on this play -Sherfield decides to return the favor to the rest of offense. He's motioned from outside in tight next to TE on the line. Man he's strong. His block ends up turning what would've been a negative yard run from Cook, into a 5-6yarder. While he might not exactly turn into a fan favorite, he's already a coaching staff favorite with what he brings to run game, they love that stuff. He also gets downfield to lockup a man in the secondary a few plays later. What a freaking upgrade from Touchdown False-Profit Kumerow. He's a stud blocker, and he actually can make plays to catch. He's going to see a lot of playing time this year! -Buffalo runs a very well executed screen to Cook. Right side of the line holds up strong, and Dion does a great job selling it! He came out of his stance VERY SLOW, looked like he didnt know the snap count, and his man took the bait. Now the play came back on a ticky tack block in the back on Edwards, great play, well executed. My God, if this team figured out a screen game, it will be the first time Ive seen it in my life! -Drive ends on a Kyle Allen interception... Brown really struggles with his man, getting drove straight back into the QB. Ugly rep for him. The good news is Josh would've never let that man pressure him like Kyle did, and there's no way he's throwing the ball where Kyle did. It was across the field with a man draped all over him (might have been Gabe, but not his fault at all)

Going back and watching the game since i missed it yesterday. Wont be able to do whole game, but re-watching each play and 1 player at a time to see how our OL/DL looks, and include things that stuck out. I might come back and update this... but so far..... BILLS D FIRST POSSESSION (3 and out i think, was a short drive if im wrong, i forgot lol_ -Boogie looks like he majorly changed his body composition. not only doesnt look fat, but looks built like a brick shiz house. Saw him out there first play and couldnt see name/number, and was like who the hell is that??? What a great surprise, hopefully translates this year. -Daquan ate several double teams, one of those reps wasnt exactly a pressure, but got good penetration, and him getting his hands out caused an incompletion. Nice BILLS OFF FIRST DRIVE (Nice TD Drive) -Harty is an explosive route runner, so fast and change of direction is sudden. If he stays healthy hes going to have a nice year for us -Torrence is a monster in the run game. Above average pass blocker right now, and expect him to improve as the year goes on, but he did give up 2 pressures -Edwards looks like great depth piece, this OL wouldve been a lot better had he started here last year. Think McGovern will be a stud, so there is a drop off, however, he wont be a liability. Looked good on the drive, made smart decisions. Came in and pancaked Dawkins man when he realized he was freed up. Also, saw a play he was helping out Dion, Dion had the guy locked up well, so he slid over to help Morse out on a rep -Diggs/Davis had a real nice rub play, they both ended up open even though Diggs got the ball. -Dawkins looked lost on a few plays. Specifically a Cook run on first down that got blown up. Morse-Torrence-Brown did their jobs well, but 2 defenders came in off left side, basically untouched while Dion was looking around for someone to block. Not Edwards best rep either, but Dion looked worse -Camera work was awful on broadcast. Few plays they were zoomed out way tooooo far. Then a weird one where pre-snap, they were zoomed way the hell in, all you could see was like the tops of the helmets, they transitioned to a regular view, but the play hadyard alraedy developed. I remember last season the NFL suddenly having bad camera work quite a bit. Also, the broadcast just sucked a lot last year. I remember frequently wanting to see a replay of a big play, and theyre zoomed in on sideline not showing the play, then the next play starts, like - oh i guess nobody wanted to see that play again? Was weird as i dont ever remember this being more than a one-off thing the rest of my life. Hopefully they get it figured out -Morse is so solid, he did a great job of looking for work on plays where he didnt end up having a man -Gabes drop sucked, ughhhh. Probably a few ppl on here thought he had two, but the second one was nice defense break up. He somewhat made up for it with 2 catches though (1? i forget, was focused on line play mostly) -Few plays before the Harris TD, Kink drew a holding penalty. That was 100% a TD for him had it not happened -Good to finally see Harris out there. OL did a great job blowing their man up and opening that hole for TD DEFENSE 2ND SERIES (another quick series) -Oliver - It was noticeable on the first series to, but he looks really good. Looks like the disruptor we drafted (and extended). We've seen flashes of this before but he looks as good as he did early last year when he was a monster. Just about beating his guy off the snap, first step is both quick and explosive, his man is already going backwards from there. Hungry to make plays, hes in the backfield almost every play. Will note it here, on the 3rd drive he creates serious pressure on a play, QB steps to other side of pocket in a way where Ed's almost out of the play (having already done his job), and he turns on the burners and chases him like I've never seen lol -Floyd gets in backfield on a run, tackles already been made, and an OL innocently enough sort of has a hand on his shoulder from behind, and he whips around, and gets in his face. Absolutely love that fire, is contagious on the field -Rousseau on this drive (a short one) is in a 2pt stance twice. Cant say i remember him doing much of this last year? BILLS 2ND POSSESSION OFFENSE - Saw Kincaid execute a real nice chip block! If he gets that up to speed fast, we may never leave 12 personnel -Speaking of 12 personnel. I was zoned in on Kincaid the first time I watched this play. On 2nd review of same play, KNOX ABSOLUTELY OBLITERATES HIS MAN ON A QUICK CHIP BLOCK! JUST WOWWWWWWW. Our two stud TE's helped a pretty nice 19yard completion to Sherfield develop on this play -Sherfield decides to return the favor to the rest of offense. He's motioned from outside in tight next to TE on the line. Man he's strong. His block ends up turning what would've been a negative yard run from Cook, into a 5-6yarder. While he might not exactly turn into a fan favorite, he's already a coaching staff favorite with what he brings to run game, they love that stuff. He also gets downfield to lockup a man in the secondary a few plays later. What a freaking upgrade from Touchdown False-Profit Kumerow. He's a stud blocker, and he actually can make plays to catch. He's going to see a lot of playing time this year! -Buffalo runs a very well executed screen to Cook. Right side of the line holds up strong, and Dion does a great job selling it! He came out of his stance VERY SLOW, looked like he didnt know the snap count, and his man took the bait. Now the play came back on a ticky tack block in the back on Edwards, great play, well executed. My God, if this team figured out a screen game, it will be the first time Ive seen it in my life! -Drive ends on a Kyle Allen interception... Brown really struggles with his man, getting drove straight back into the QB. Ugly rep for him. The good news is Josh would've never let that man pressure him like Kyle did, and there's no way he's throwing the ball where Kyle did. It was across the field with a man draped all over him (might have been Gabe, but not his fault at all)

thats right. what an insane trade. bad mgmt by SEA. he was proli a player they obsessed about in a draft, and wayyyyyy overpaid to get the guy

Got my first managing gig when i was 23, collection agency. high turnover, was asked to fire a few kids after a day or two because theyre too nice/shy whatever. Kinda like NFL, its performance based. Kid might come in 30mins early, make coffee, stay focused (good employee traits), friendly... but if you dont produce, theyre on waivers. Any who I had nobody teach me at all how to do it AT ALL! Talking to a buddy outside work, he says "GO WATCH MONEYBALL" LOL To this day, Jonah Hill and Brad Pitt are the ppl who taught me how to be a "turk."

Thank God they blew that chance at Lawrence! Although had they landed him, that nice draft last year would've looked different. Obv they're still better off but they don't have Sauce nor Wilson (probably? I kinda forget where some of those picks came from)

1 year for a first rounder is too long now? Lol this place rules 🤣

How do we know McD won't run more man? They've indicated they plan to be more aggressive, assuming that includes blitzing. Outside of that, along our playoff run we'll need a man guy for Chase/Tyreek/Kelce. You'd rather have a 4th rder than a guy that can help cover the biggest thorns in our side? So unbelievably short sighted

AJE was a 2nd rder coming out of a weird draft where players didn't get regular training camps. Elam has elite measurables, played in the SEC, and was drafted knowing he was a bit of a project to fit our scheme. Depth alone he's valuable to this team this year (a SB expectation season) and that's ignoring the chance to develop a guy completely switching schemes. He's struggling to adapt, at our deepest position on the team. This would be inconceivably dumb!!! Don't hold your breath on a trade, Beane ain't that dumb either

You don't unload a 1st rd pick after 1 season unless they're smoking crack on Chippewa. This is something the Browns and Texans do, not a champ team that has the depth to develop the guy. Was everyone here drinking for a preseason game??????

I can't get here. Only way I trade him is a p4p swap and a zone cb, but that sounds unlikely. We knew what he was, nothings changed in 1 year. DEVELOP DEVELOP DEVELOP!!!! For now, find ways to get him on the field in situational hybrid zone/press. I'd be furious at a trade because we aren't getting chit, and we have no clue what we have. Major indictment on this staff if you throw up your hands and admit you can't develop the guy, or use him situational. Fireable offense to me just based on poor communication and draf capital usage. McD was aware of his strengths enough to have him on their first rd board. Beane isn't pulling the trigger without acknowledgement the staff can coach him up. Has the physical tools and is a cerebral player, MAKE IT WORK, OR HELL TRYYYYYY. Unbelievable

Looks like Morse played 1Q maybe? Def glad to hear Edwards playing nicely. Pretty awesome to have improved starter, andddddd have the LG backup be better than last years starter as bonus

too much sun today, and reading this melted my brain lol i too did not get to watch, but from the extended 10min highlights on youtube (very limited obv), it looked like the OL played well? Anybody wanna give a run down of what they saw out of Edwards, Torrence, and Brown? Loooks like they got a few more drives then Josh

Heard she joined a biker gang though. knocks still look aight

You're telling me, i bet $5k on the Vikings without telling mine! What an upset by the Bills!

What do you want him to say? *Dealer on the lot* "this cars been a lemon, transmission is going, they've been going up in flames for fender benders. We'll need that payment in cash"

I wish this didnt get moved to Off the Wall! Whos everybody have for college this weekend?

Drowning. Hanging. Electrocution. Hung by ankles on a line and smashed with a bat like a pinata. The fighting is bad enough, dogs fighting is atleast 'somewhat' natural. Torturing animals in creative fashion for fun, is demented. Had it been done with a bolt or tap behind the ear to put them out of their misery, maybe there's a touch more empathy for the guy. Oh, and the killings weren't always putting down a dog gravely injured. At times it was torturing dogs to death, who had never even fought.... because they weren't aggressive enough. Dude tortures animals for fun. If that isn't setting off alarm bells I dunno what will.

Remember what he did to us on Thanksgiving (or maybe weekend before) 2 years ago? Remember the teams we did not want to draw: indy/cle/Tennessee. Our personnel does not match well against the run. Actually most nfl s teams don't have great personnel to stop the run. Teams have been loading up on LBs that have gotten smaller/quicker to defend against the pass. We're seeing a few teams double down on the run to take advantage of this. Now those teams^^ have had to do it out of necessity with mediocre QBs, but I think the trend continues to grow a bit. If you're not passing well, and defenses are qued in to stopping the pass with smaller defenses... why not be the outlier and pound the rock, i.e. Giants. In no way do I think the importance of run game will ever be what it was even 5 years ago, but i think that gameplan continues to trend up the next few years

If he needs another half season or season to grow into zone, I'm fine with it. In the mean time he's a nice chess piece for pressing Kelce, Tyreek, Chase. Wish we'd find a way to get him involved with some hybrid man/zone schemes like were going to need for the receivers listed above. Also, great piece to have on blitzing plays

damn, we wouldnt pony up anything better than a 5th? i wouldve offered Booger and a 5th, or a 5th that converts to a 4 based on playing time

I just dont understand how last year he was good enough to start. He got hurt 2nd Q of game 2, game 1 was an absolute monsoon if im remembering right. so he hasnt really played, no matter how u slice it major, major scouting problems. No way he should be behind darnold. u cant give up what they gave up for him and not find a way to get him in the game. develop him in practice, hell, create an interesting run option package to get him on the field

This stinks of old guy 'athletes make too much' attitude, while completely ignoring the DEMAND and ability to generate that money. Usually this voice thinks they're standing up to the big man, when in reality, they're standing up for the enormous man (billionaires, with a B). "That's what a contract is", nonsense. What happens if a player looks like ass, does the team just pay out huge $$ while they're buried on depth chart? Nope! They cut them. It's a two way street. If a contract stinks, for anybody, the reality is one side or the other will alter it. If teams want to get players to honor their full contract no matter what, then they can talk to the NFLPA about fully guaranteed contracts.... oh wait, that won't happen in a billion years. You're arguing for the billionaires to have the advantage of a one way street lol 🤡

If we think we can coach him up I be interested. Be great to have a backup with similar skills etc as Josh, barkeley and allen are nothing like 17, we completely change the offense. he'd be great for scout team offense. And again if you can coach him up, find a way to showcase him, could lead to a nice trade package. There's a lot of ifs there, but if he's available cheap, there should be interest from us