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After the 75 yard TD pass to open the 2nd half the Bengals had 6 drives, 31 plays for 61 yards. That's a whole lotta really bad offense.

To the bolded...I don't know many people, who watched the game, that would agree with you. While they ran it better than the Rams, 20 carries for 79 yards is far from running over someone all night. They went with the guy that got them there. I would have no problems with the Bills putting it in Josh's hands with the game on the line either. I do agree with you that they were not clutch though. After the 75 yard TD to open the 2nd half the Bengals had 6 drives, 31 plays for only 61 yards(less than 2 yards per play) for the rest of the game. Ouch.

This didn't age well. 😉

You could say it's a make up call for the missed facemask on the Higgins TD.

Even a fool like Keyshawn(He may say he's not, but he is) can see that. Though he really didn't come around on Josh until after the Pats*** game in the playoffs this year. To be honest he started saying nice things about Josh after the Pats*** game in the playoffs, but that's the thing it had to take a near perfect game in the playoffs against the #2 ranked defense to start changing his mind. By the time the game against the Chiefs was over he was fully on board. He has absolutely no insight, he just reacts to things after the fact.

For crying out loud, he needs to quit completing passes in the end zone, it's killing his yac. 😉

The bolded part of your comment is going to become much tougher to do starting next year and even that much harder come 2023. I usually don't buy into "the window" to winning a Super Bowl is closing idea, unless there's an aging star QB, but if they couldn't surround him with enough talent when his cap hit was 3 million(This year) they're going to have a hard time doing it paying him as a top 3 player. His pay goes up 20 million this year and depending on the specifics of his new deal, about an additional 20 million will be added in 2023. The level of play from his surrounding cast is going to suffer greatly from his new deal and I don't see that his talent is anywhere good enough to overcome that.

I get your point that when you don't have a QB, especially in today's NFL, that it's not much fun. All Bills fans know that from the 2 decades after Kelly until we drafted Allen. But just because you trade Lamar doesn't neccesarily mean you don't have a QB. I would propose you trade Lamar to a QB needy team, then use some of the haul you get from the trade to trade for let's say Aaron Rodgers. Then you could draft a QB and let him sit for a few years and learn while Aaron plays out the rest of his career. I think with their roster and their coach, Baltimore would be one of the favorites for Aaron to land if they traded Lamar away. Again if he was coming off his 2nd year I wouldn't have a problem paying Lamar top 3 money, but his numbers have gone down significantly over the last 2 years pretty much across the board. TD passes have gone down by 10 each of the last 2 years, INTs have gone up each of the last years(More than doubled from 2019 to 2021 on less attempts) QB Rating has gone down about 22% over the last 2 years and his QBR has dropped about 40% over the last 2 years. His QBR for this year was 50.8, in this model 50.0 indicates the average QB play in the NFL, so top 2-3 money in the league for average QB play? All that and we haven’t even discussed the his rushing numbers which have dropped off as well(And his career carries are piling up). Like I said before if you're paying him that kind of money, you're paying that much for his 2nd year performance only, not the last 2. Yet he's shown nothing over the last 2 years suggesting he can produce like that again. If I'm the Ravens I was fine while Lamar was on his rookie contract, but I do not like the position I'm in now. Lamar's cap hit for this year was 3 million, in 2022 his 5th year option will cost 23 million and 2023 his cap hit will be around 40-43 million. That's about a 40 million increase in just 2 years. Alot of pieces that will be gone to pay Lamar his salary and my fear would be he doesn't have the QB play to close the talent gap that's about to occur on his team. Just my take on this. 🤷‍♂️

13.....yeah 13 QBs opted out in order for Mac to make it.

First let me get this out of the way before I go any further.....I believe the Ravens should try to hang onto Lamar and I don't believe there's a debate on whether the Ravens should or shouldn't. But I do believe there's a debate on the dollar amount. If the tweet is correct on the dollar amount that would make him one of the top 2-3 highest paid players in the league. The question then is would it benefit the Ravens long term more to pay him that amount or try and trade him for a bunch of picks. Then you could either draft one this year or next while starting the back up for a year or 2 or try and trade for someone like Aaron Rodger or try and sign someone like Mitch. To the bolded part of your comment...I'm not questioning Lamar's skill set or the lack of his skill set in the league, but at some point shouldn't the skill set need to lead to results if he's going to be paid like that? Division titles are great, but when all you get is a 1-3 record in the playoffs with very average QB play(Probably below average)is it worth it? To me Lamar is living off of his MVP 2nd year, his play dipped last year and crashed this year. Josh led the NFL in total TDs over the last 2 years(Inc. Playoffs) with 103, Lamar only has 52, that's a huge difference. Or their play in the playoffs.....Josh's play in the playoffs has improved every year and this year he was nearly perfect, Lamar averages 1 total TD per game in the playoffs and has more INTs than TDs(5 vs 4). His record is 1-3. What's going to happen in 2023 when you have to start paying on that new big contract and the rest of the team around you isn't as good, Lamar's numbers are going to have to improve by alot vs what he's done over the last 2 years. If they both make pretty much the same amount, I think Allen's play & performance is far more suited for when that day comes than Lamar is. Come to think of it, I forgot to mention injury risk, Lamar isn't exactly the biggest QB out there(212 LBs). He missed a stretch this year because of injury. Don't get me wrong, I hope they break the bank for him, but I think it will only hurt them in the long run if they do. I 100% agree.

They're both going into year 5, if you think there's alot more development to be had, I think you're going to be disappointed. 4 years in and Lamar still has a hard time throwing outside the numbers. His passing game has benefitted greatly from areally good running game and because teams are scared of him taking off. What happens when he begins to slow and the hits start adding up? He's pretty small(212 LBs), not anywhere near Allen's size. Then he'll have to rely strictly on his passing game and the defenses won't be scared anymore if he takes off. One of the very few reasons you pay a QB over 40 million a year is for their performance in the playoffs. That along with leadership and durability. While I agree we're not paying Josh to be a .500 QB in the playoffs, but we are paying him 258 million to perform the way he did in this year's playoffs. Things like he did in the game against the Pats*** when he and the offense were nearly perfect, in subzero windchills no less. Or for the things he did in the Chiefs game, especially the last 17 minutes. I don't think anyone is putting that loss on Josh, he was the only reason we had a chance in that game. Most call it the best quarterbacked game in playoff history. Lamar hasn't had to face that in the playoffs. The Ravens defense has never given up anywhere near 42 points in the playoffs when Lamar was a starter. They have given up an average of 20.25 points in those 4 games, I know at least 7 of those points were on an INT thrown by Lamar in the game against us last year. In the 4 games he's started the defense has given up 28, 23, 17(really 10) & 13 points. Those are reasonable totals, ones where the defense has given him a chance to showcase his skills and win those games. I did point out the stats for both QBs in the playoffs. Things like Lamar's 55.8 Comp.%, mid 60's QB Rating, lack of TDs and scoring and more INTs than total TDs vs Allen's career QB Rating, which is the highest of any QB in playoff history or his career 14:1 Passing TD to INT ratio, which is the best in playoff history. One team is now losing in the playoffs despite nearly perfect QB play and the other is still losing because of it's QB play. Really the only thing Josh did wrong in the 2 playoff games this year was call tails. Lamar just hasn't produced the way Josh has now proven he can. Let's see if Lamar can ever lead his team to anything close to the 12 TDs on only 16 drives in a playoff year like Josh did this year, averaging 41.5 points a game. Admittedly Lamar had the jump on Allen the first few years with his performance on the field, but anyone can see Josh is vastly better than Lamar now. 16 TDs and 13 INTs in 12 games is not worth anywhere near Josh Allen money. Here's another great stat....103. That's how many TDs Josh has accounted for in the last 2 years(Inc. Playoffs) out of our 130 that were scored by the offense. 87 Passing, 15 Rushing and 1 Receiving. That's the most total TDs in the league. Lamar has accounted for only 52 during that span. Josh's numbers and performances are steadily climbing while Lamar's numbers and performances are steadily going down the last 2 years. Again you want to pay a QB top 2-3 money in the league when it looks like his ceiling was hit in his 2nd year and his numbers are dropping yearly ever since? That makes absolutely no sense.

To the bolded parts of your response....You should've stopped before bringing up the results on the field. Lamar is one of those QBs that plays pretty well during the regular season, sometomes great, but struggles mightily in the playoffs. To date he's gone 1-3 in the 4 playoff games he's started in and his team struggles to score in the postseason averaging 13 points per game. His stats during the postseason: 76/136 55.8 Comp% 900 Yards 6.1 YPA 225.0 YPG 3 TDs 5 INTs with a QB Rating of 68.26. He also takes alot of sacks for being the most mobile QB in the league, in 4 games he's been sacked 19 times. He's a good runner so I'll add those stats as well: 54/367/1 averaging 6.8 YPC and 91.75 YPG. All that to really show he doesn't put points on the board in the postseason and he's accounted for 4 total TDs in 4 games. So in your opinion you think Lamar should make about what Josh makes? Josh had more TDs(5) and his team scored almost as many points(47) against the Pats*** this year in the playoffs as Lamar(4) and the Ravens(52) have in their 4 games combined. Josh now has 16 total TDs in 6 postseason games(2.6 per game) 14 passing, 1 Rushing, 1 Receiving & only 1 INT. He has the highest career QB Rating in the playoffs ever, the most Passing TDs through the first 2 rounds(9) and is the only QB to post back to back games with at least 4 TDs and 0 INTs. The Bills average 28.6 points a game with Josh at QB in the postseason. He's performed far better than Lamar when it matters the most and most would agree that on average during their 4 year careers the Ravens had more talent on their team. To the other bolded part....The Ravens don't go to the top of the potential Suoer Bowl contenders until he starts bringing his game to another level come playoff time, not shrinking AND the team proves it can put points on the board and win some games come postseason. If I'm the Ravens there's no way I could look at the 2 QBs and then think I'm going to pay him Josh Allen type money. I'd rather trade him for a bunch of picks and start over at QB.

Some context needs to be added to the Cam vs Josh running debate: 1.) Not everyone one is built the same and their bodies react differently to getting hit. Some players can take hits for years and years before they decline, for some it happens far sooner. Josh seems to be the former not the latter. 2.) Cam was taking alot and I mean alot of big time hits, both while running and while inside the pocket. Josh doesn't take alot of big time hits, he's usually the one dishing out the punishment. Matter of fact I can only recall a few big hits he's taken in his career. The Texans game during his rookie year when he hurt his elbow you can count as one, though it really wasn't a big hit he just got hit in a bad spot. The Pats*** game in 2019 when he got knocked out and the Raiders game last year when he got the left shoulder injury. There may be a few more, but there aren't many. Most of Josh’s runs end by sliding, going out of bounds or getting tackled by someone in the other team's secondary(Someone smaller than him). 3.) Cam ran more and was getting sacked more his first 4 years compared to Josh. In Cam's 5th year he ran the ball even more than he had in any of his first 4 years.

Good thing the ratio isn't 27.8% over the last 2 seasons. During that time he's attempted 1218 passes and ran the ball 224 times, that's not anywhere near 27.8%. I don't know where you got these numbers, but his run to pass ratio didn't increase the last 2 years over the previous 2, it actually went down quite a bit????? In his first 2 years he had 781 passes and 198 rushes, as I mentioned above the last 2 years he attempted 1218 passes while only rushing 224 times. If he didn't miss the 4 1/2 games as a rookie he actually would've had more rushes his first 2 years with over 400 fewer passes. Now that we don't have to worry about that it will leave plenty of time for people to worry about other things.

I would like to see him come here too. He is 31, but a young 31 by NFL standards. He's only has 836 touches in his 9 year career. 320 carries, 268 catches and 258 returns.

Including playoffs, last year he had 52 vs 51 this year. Would've been a tie if his receiving hadn't regressed this year. First time since 2018 that he didn't have a receiving TD. #Regressing #Recievingwoes 😉

I get you're just messing around, but in all fairness IF blame was to be assigned, Gabe has to take some of it. He was beating his guy mercilessly on the last drive and really in the last 20 minutes of the game. But he shined the most in the last 1:54 of the game, where he caught 4 balls for 86 Yards 21.5 YPC and 2 TDs. The only yards on the last drive that he didn't account for was the 16 yard catch by Sanders and that's only because he took himself out for a play because he was gassed. Loved how he stepped up during the biggest moments in this game. TD before the half to tie it, 75 yard TD after going down 9 and 2 TDs on our last 2 drives when a FG wouldn't have helped us.

Based on his play in the playoffs this was expected. He completed 77.3% of his passes, averaging 10.3 yards an attempt, 9 TDs 0 INTs, 149 QB Rating, 94.4 QBR with the offense scoring on a TD on 12 of their 16 drives in the postseason and averaging 41.5 points a game. Seems like it's impossible to lose with offensive numbers like that.

That's a weak argument. You could say that about any player in any game. If he just didn't make that play then.... Like if Harris didn't break that 69 yard run in the wind game we would've beat the Pats***, Billy boy wouldn't have looked like a genius for throwing only 3 times and we would've had home field advantage against the Chiefs. See the narratives changed. Or if Mahomes didn't have those 13 seconds he wouldn't have gone 8/8 for 113 yards and a TD from that point forward. What do you think the odds are of tying that game up with 13 seconds to go? I can tell you the previous 62 teams to go down 3 with 13 seconds to go all lost. His stats would've been pretty average also had it not happened, he would've lost the game and the narrative on the 2 QBs and the 2 teams would've changed. The talk would've been the king had been dethroned. If Josh doesn't slip on 4th diwn against Tennessee we probably would've won, got the 1 seed with a bye and home field advantage throughout the playoffs. I could go on and on with what ifs. Also the coverage wasn't blown on the 75 yard pass, Josh looked off the safety and Gabe beat him deep when the CB handed Gabe off to him.

You would think that they would've been studying Josh for the playoffs, right? The greatest defensive mind has studied him a ton and can't figure out how to make him punt even once in a game. In the last 2 games against the Pats*** Billy boy admitted they had nothing to stop him. Both teams he played in the playoffs had played he several times in the last few years, they knew him well. The offense punted only 11 times in the last 5 games. Josh had 17 rushes 134 Yards 7.88 YPC.....48/62 637 yards. 10.3 YPA 77.3 Comp% 9 TDs 0 INTs 149 QB Rating and a 94.4 QBR in the playoffs. 12 of the 16 drives ended in a TD. The first QB ever to throw at least 4 TDs and 0 INTs in back to back playoff games and the highest QB Rating ever in a playoff season. He nearly had the most TDs in a playoff season and he only played 2 games, all the rest on the list at least made the Super Bowl. He ended the season unstoppable and he'll only be better next season. He's the best and scariest player to defend against in the league by a good margin, while having the most weight on his shoulders and he's all ours. IMO Josh checked all the boxes at the end of the season and in the playoffs. A straight up dawg.

If this happened before this year I would've been worried, but I think Josh will be elite regardless of who they hire. Besides Daboll had so many stretches of head scratching playcalling. Whoever they hire will get with Josh and keep the plays he likes and he will bring with him some new plays. A fresh set of eyes and thinking might get us a couple more wins when the offense struggles, Daboll didn't seem to have too many answers when that happened. The offense on any given day either worked or it didn't.

I get what you're saying, but just so we're clear......Super Bowl XXV was the worst loss ever and it's not even close. Both were painful and went down to the last play. This game though was to see who hosted the AFCCG, SB XXV would've brought a title home to Buffalo.

He was already under that same offensive mind for 3 years, do you think he wasn't learning from Daboll during that time? He clearly wanted to be an OC because he interviewed in the past for the position. He's been preparing for this for years now. Guys in this profession want to move up and prove themselves on their own. Quick question, who do you think would get the credit if the Giants offense turned it around Brian or Ken? But if things went south Dorsey would get all the blame and I'm not so sure Daboll would be inclined to give up playcalling. Why would you want a job working in someone's shadow? If my future in the NFL, as a coach, had to be hitched to either Allen or Jones, sorry brother, that's a no contest. Jones was 29th in passing yards, 30th in TDs, 26th in QB Rating & 22nd in QBR which was 41.6. 50.0 is average QB play. So he'd be leaving easily a top 2 QB to leave and coach a below average QB. That wouldn't be described as a sound career decision. Jones just finished his 3rd year and he's still a bad QB. Why would you leave the best player in the league for a failing franchise and failing QB? My opinion Josh>Daboll & Jones by a mile and it's not even that close. Just for reference Jones total TDs in his 3 year career were beat by Allen in this year alone, including playoffs (51 vs 50). Also in 3 years Jones has yet to play a full season. Yep let me leave the most physically gifted QB ever to play and sign me up for some of that.

If the reports are true all I have to say to Daboll is bye Felicia. 👋

McD definitely showed improvement especially over the last month and half in being far more aggressive on 4th downs, but he has a long ways to go with in game decisions like whether or not to squib kick it with 13 seconds to go.