Bills Fan of St Augustine

Pass on Eli. He would be killed behind our OL. I wouldn't want that on my conscience like Peterman is already. At least TT can run for his life.

If the season finishes as you suggest, which franchise QB is left on the board at pick 20+? I don't think there will be one and trading up will take a lot of picks unless the Chefs continue to slide. Certainly both 1st rounders this year plus how many others picks? Best case for a QB is that both the Chefs and Bills lose out. We could then use both picks to move up for THE GUY provided of course we have a dance partner near the top of the draft.

Bills have not invested top picks in the OL. They invest mid to late round picks on guys who other teams pass on and then regret their decision. They drafted EJM and Losman in the first round. I only see one bust at OL in the first round. The rest were solid contributors for many years. A change would be to build a solid OL unless an elite prospect drops to us at QB. I've watches the "elites" in this draft and come away with doubts. Buffalo Bills first-round draft picks Year Pick Player name Position College Notes 2016 19 Shaq Lawson Defensive end Clemson 2015 — No pick — — [3] 2014 4 Sammy Watkins Wide receiver Clemson 2013 16 EJ Manuel Quarterback Florida State 2012 10 Stephon Gilmore Cornerback South Carolina 2011 3 Marcell Dareus Defensive tackle Alabama 2010 9 C.J. Spiller Running back Clemson 2009 11 Aaron Maybin Defensive end Penn State 2009 28 Eric Wood Center Louisville 2008 11 Leodis McKelvin Defensive back Troy 2007 12 Marshawn Lynch Running back California 2006 8 Donte Whitner Safety Ohio State 2006 26 John McCargo Defensive tackle North Carolina State 2005 — No pick — — 2004 13 Lee Evans Wide receiver Wisconsin 2004 22 J. P. Losman Quarterback Tulane 2003 23 Willis McGahee Running back Miami (FL) 2002 4 Mike Williams Offensive tackle Texas 2001 21 Nate Clements Defensive back Ohio State 2000 26 Erik Flowers Defensive end Arizona State 1999 23 Antoine Winfield Defensive back Ohio State 1998 — No pick — — 1997 23 Antowain Smith Running back Houston 1996 24 Eric Moulds Wide receiver Mississippi State 1995 14 Ruben Brown Guard Pittsburgh 1994 27 Jeff Burris Defensive back Notre Dame 1993 28 Thomas Smith Defensive back North Carolina 1992 27 John Fina Offensive tackle Arizona 1991 26 Henry Jones Defensive back Illinois 1990 16 James Williams Defensive back Fresno State 1989 — No pick — — 1988 — No pick — — 1987 8 Shane Conlan Linebacker Penn State 1986 16 Ronnie Harmon Running back Iowa 1986 20 Will Wolford Offensive tackle Vanderbilt 1985 1 Bruce Smith ^ Defensive end Virginia Tech 1985 14 Derrick Burroughs Defensive back Memphis State 1984 26 Greg Bell Running back Notre Dame 1983 12 Tony Hunter Tight end Notre Dame 1983 14 Jim Kelly ^ Quarterback Miami (FL) 1982 19 Perry Tuttle Wide receiver Clemson 1981 28 Booker Moore Running back Penn State 1980 16 Jim Ritcher Center North Carolina State 1979 1 Tom Cousineau Linebacker Ohio State 1979 5 Jerry Butler Wide receiver Clemson 1978 5 Terry Miller Running back Oklahoma State 1977 12 Phil Dokes Defensive tackle Oklahoma State 1976 18 Mario Clark Defensive back Oregon 1975 19 Tom Ruud Linebacker Nebraska 1974 18 Reuben Gant Tight end Oklahoma State 1973 7 Paul Seymour Tight end Michigan 1973 26 Joe DeLamielleure ^ Guard Michigan State 1972 1 Walt Patulski Defensive end Notre Dame 1971 4 J. D. Hill Wide receiver Arizona State 1970 5 Al Cowlings Defensive tackle Southern California 1969 1 O.J. Simpson ^ Running back USC 1968 9 Haven Moses Wide receiver San Diego State 1967 22 John Pitts Safety Arizona State 1966 8 Mike Dennis Running back Ole Miss

Looks to me simply like their spirit to win and behave as men has been broken. Broken men don't tackle or swarm to the ball. They don't win their man to man match ups. They are beaten in every aspect of the game and whimper like the overpaid prima-donnas that they are.

Completely agree

Nope, not the media's fault. The media is interested in selling newspapers and keeping the fans attention on themselves. Creating news and creating controversy. That said, they don't influence poor team management and player evaluation. They don't influence coaching blunders and in-game play calling and or adjustments to scheme. They don't influence player's ability and their desire to win. We as fans continue to support losing franchises and funding undeserving superstar life styles. Sports are entertainment and athletes, entertainers. If our sports were a play or a movie or a musical, etc, both teams would have shutdown years ago. We continue to support substandard product and then fail to encourage those who play for the love of the game. Support Friday night football like they do in Texas. Go to a UB Bulls game and show support for these guys who most will not be playing on Sunday's.

Hell, on the third INT, we had three guys "blocking" their two and they both got through...

Yeah but....this has been argued by me for the past 4 years and many on this board will still argue to this day that using high draft picks to build an O line is a waste. "They can be had in the middle to late rounds". Give me a break. Our OL is terrible. We can't pass block or run block. So far this decade, in eight years we have drafted 5 OL somewhere in the top four rounds. Glenn, Dawkins, Koujo, Hairston and Miller out of 32 picks. Build from the inside out. OL/DL unless a can't miss QB is available. In the same time period, we drafted EJ Manuel as the lone QB. No WR/RB/CB/S/K/TE etc until the lines and QB are settled. We are a very long way from being a contender. This is as bad as I've felt as a Bills fan and its been almost 50 yrs!

But, but, but.... didn't Gruden say he was NFL ready!?

We are not as good as our record would have us believe. Reality sets in, we really are a five win team.

If Cousins, Brees, Carr, Stafford, Smith, etc may all be available. If we spend multiple picks to get the franchise guy and even if he is the franchise guy, he will get killed behind our OL. Our D will assure he is killed often. Many many years to build. A FA QB allows for a quicker recovery that's all.

Darft OL, DL and pick up a FA QB ?

Steve?

With as many holes we have to plug, it's starting to feel like another decade before we can smell playoffs.

McCoy having a big game!

Problem is you're right and so are they. A franchise QB will help cover up other holes. A stellar OL will too. We have none of the above. What is the core strength of this team? Kicker?

KC lost. Rams lost. Trust the process..

I'll have one of whatever it is you are taking...

Simply stay in the locker room. Head to the airport. Say we were confused and thought (knew) the game was over?

I'll need more whiskey......

I've been going with an IPA and an Irish whiskey as a side. Not helping much though...

The Mercy Rule is now and forever to be refereed to as the Peterman rule. Sit him down.

Is 5 enough?

Savior? 1,2,3,4, here comes 5!

So he's an average to below average passer. Not bottom five in the league. So I guess that means he is a viable starting QB. On a really good team, he is adequate. On a mediocre to below average team, he can't carry the team to the playoffs like a Favre, Brees, Ryan or Brady. I think that's what we have. So viable, yes. Ideal, no way.