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Actually there is a third group, those who think they are above it all. Nothing wrong with debating or discussing Never made that argument, don't put words in my mouth. My point is and always has been that was an inconsistent call.

Why do you think it is obvious the ref saw it? I mean if it takes slow motion replay to see it! I have seen that same play called offsides defense more often than not. Thats inconsistent.

This is correct! Tired of the week to week on Sammy. He's a stud, we have him, and ain't letting him go. The draft was in June and is over, get over it people we're stuck with him. LMAO at the people who are so stuck on the draft.

The refereeing in the NFL is laughable inconsistent due to a contrived rulebook to add offense to the game.

Nice call on everything.

I bet you believe in giving speeding tickets for going 56mph too. You miss the point, the letter of the law is not the issue, it is consistency in officiating. And, if you believe the NFL referees are consistent-God help you.

Absolutely true. I like your analogy.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I do think that the culture of a winning football team includes NOT BEATING YOURSELF! At the end of the day teams that win the SB have talent and don't beat themselves. We have not arrived there mentally and I'm still watching and hoping for that breakthrough. A team like KC has decent not great talent, but doesn't beat themselves.

I hope you are not serious and this is a joke. He missed some throws made some throws. He didn't turn the ball over. Whether you think he is the answer or not, he was NOT the biggest problem yesterday. Agreed we have more talent that has been proven the last 2 years against those guys. What they do is not beat themselves. WE DO! Not sure that is true. Enough horses in the barn to win a lot of those games and get some momentum for the final quarter and split those four. The biggest question to me is will this coaching staff figure out how not to beat ourselves in time, and that is debatable. Nice call!

By far the biggest momentum changing sequence was the McKelvin fumble and giving them possession at our 26. We had just stopped them at their 16 yard line with 10:39 to go in the fourth. The defense seemed to play the next two plays after the fumble like they were completely demoralized, and KC played like they had just seen the opening. As a result, our Win Probability Added from PFR when from 82.8% to 22.3% in less than a handful of plays. Up to that point, all the plays threads have talked about, Bryce Brown fumble, Henderson twitching, Manny Lawson not staying home on the Charles TD run, A.Williams unnecessary roughness, Play-calling,dropped passes, decisions etc. the Bills had OVERCOME them! For some reason the House of Cards collapsed at this point. My take is it still is a cultural problem with the team. We need to be able to maintain mentally the whole game. The attitude of "how many things can wrong and then panic", must be replaced for the whole game. This is transition moment in the game and we didn't recognize it and finish the deal. Furthermore, the two units on the field recovered, and we regained our chances of winning. With 4:35 to go , we had just stopped them again, forced a punt and McKelvin made a nice return to their 25. Orton and Woods then combined on a nice pass to the 16, followed by a first down run by Summers. We had a 58.2% chance of winning at the point. Then four straight incompletions! Yeah Orton missed a couple that could have been made. It is here that the sidelines can be brought into question for putting the offense in the remaining situation due to there decisions. After the fourth incompletion, WPA was at 8.9%. In summary, all the units had their moments and controlled most of the game. In the end, we still don't know how to finish it out mentally.

Youre full of it! So are you!

Agree with this. I mean come people it was not obvious he twitched. If its even debatable don't call it. Whats next he blinked!When was the lost time you saw the same play happen and they called it on the offense-NEVER!

Orton is not the biggest problem we have. Get over yourselves. Yes he missed some throws, this happens every game with every QB! Bottom Line is it sucks we lost and are 5-4 with the playoffs looking bleak, all it would have taken was one thing going right at the right time and we see a different game. The Bryce Brown fumble is just raw BS.

How do you know they weren't going to run a play. The Chiefs jumped offsides before we snapped it!

WTF?

Worthless thread

There were calls at the wrong times that definitely were disputable. Yes there were plays that the Bills didn't make that piss me off too. However, to deny that calls against you at the wrong time have no impact is just wrong -they do. Nothing happens in a vacuum and one thing builds of another. Bottom line is that you have no control over the calls. That doesn't mean they don't make calls at the wrong times that impact the direction of the game. We are 5-4 and it sucks. We were the better team at the Line of Scrimmage today and lost.

Nice Call by the OP! When you consider he was 245 pounds at a time when lineman were not much bigger, and that DBs didn't catch him from behind i.e. the Monday Night 35-31 win over the Dolphins, he was perhaps the greatest pure power back ever IMHO.

Nice thread! I think it fairly accurately represents team strength as a quick and dirty proxy.

Good luck trading Mike Williams. If there are any takers I'd be shocked.

I don't find Gannon and the guy he works with to be anything great. It was pretty obvious they were trying to keep the audience interested.

I agree with you sentiments. As for changes for going forward, I hope during the bye week that Marrone makes some changes. Perhaps he "involves" other people on the staff to help the "overburdened" Hackett. This is the only measure, along with perhaps an acquisition on the O-line, that I could reasonably see during the season.

9-7 same as preseason prediction. 3-1 next four games, loss @ Miami, 1-3 final four, win over Oakland. Post season will be close, could take a win in NE to go 10-6 to do it.

Check This! Although I get them trying to be objective. Still is awkward.

Borders on the ludicrous how bad the so-called experts are in sports. The problem is they aren't experts, they are "names". In many cases they are guys who really have little perspective. Take someone like Michael Irvin, he was treated like a superstar all throughout college, the pros and post career. He doesn't, cannot give the kind of insights that someone who worked his way through the game can. He is being paid for his name!