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Not his fault he's not being used down the field like he should be.

I don't think a lack of work ethic is the problem. It's technique. He's plenty motivated and competitive. But until he gets his hands under control, he won't play.

Not the best game to judge him on because of the offense we ended up having to play. I will say this.....Rodgers was in for 4 plays, but if he was in longer, I think we would have sacked him a ton. He can't move much anymore and our line would have been after him all night. Not saying he wouldn't have made the Jets offense better. We'll never know. But the way the game started and the way our line was playing, I wasn't overly worried about what the Jets were doing. More concerned about the way our offense played.

Until we prove that we can get out of our own way, I am going to have a tough time taking us to win by double digits. I think we will win, but I am not sure we find a way to cover that.

What Allen has to realize is that the minute he learns how to be patient and take the free cheese underneath every time, it will be the moment he will become unstoppable. Right now, teams are sitting back daring him to take wide open 6 yard gains all the way down the field. They know he will become impatient and throw one that they will have a chance at. They just don't believe he will be patient enough to take 12 plays to score a TD. But, if Allen figures it out, and he does take these short throws regularly, teams will be forced to come up to defend those and all of a sudden, the deeper shots will be there. Allen wants it all. And he can have it all. But he needs to prove it to other teams that he will do what it takes to earn it.

This was one of the plays I mentioned in my breakdown in another thread. What this comes down to for me is it's a poor decision based on down and distance and game situation. In a vacuum, you can see what Allen is looking at and see that the read he is making to Davis isn't the worst decision he made last night. He's made this throw countless times in the past. But, where I have the problem is the decision based on game situation. Moving the chains should take priority over anything else when lining up for this play. Allen's first read should be Kincaid, and when he sees him running open, the ball needs to get to him immediately. Yes, Davis should be in his progression and may even be his secondary read from low to high. Allen chose on this play, and several others in this game, to bypass the easy completion in hopes of hitting something deeper. He needs to know the situation and realize moving the chains is the most important thing on this play. So, when lining up, he should be thinking that if Kincaid is open, hit him right away. If he's not, he has to know Diggs is coming into his line of sight on a shallow cross and could also pick up the first down easily. Know the point of the play. You want to try this throw to Davis at another point in the game? Sure....I get it. It's not the worst read in the world and does make sense in a lot of cases. Just not when you need a couple yards to move the chains. Davis could have been a lot better on this route, though. If you insist on going to Davis here, though, ball placement needs to be better. It needs to be thrown to the outside right on the boundary. Don't leave the defense a chance to make a play on the ball. Again, you see what he sees and can almost understand why he would make the choice he did. But the level of difficulty on that throw is much higher than taking that free cheese to Kincaid who would have picked up the first down easily. This is about Allen understanding game situations and what the goal of the play should be before even taking the snap.

I think it is probably a combination of things, but if I had to guess, I think it is mostly due to the fact that Allen is just an aggressive QB by nature. Why take 4 or 5 plays to get 30 yards when you can do it in 1? He has the arm to make every throw on the field and that is why he constantly waiting until the last second to throw the ball because he is hoping someone opens up down the field. When they don't. he's stuck and gets himself into trouble. Sometimes those first or second reads are timing throws on crossers or hitches. If Allen gets impatient and wants something bigger, by the time he waits out the longer routes, the shorter ones are taken away. It's tough for him to find balance, but when he's at his best, that's what he does. Allen has to realize that the big play will open up when he punishes teams underneath. Right now, teams know he is not patient enough to take the easy 7-10 yards all the way down the field on a regular basis. They will continue to play a soft 2 high shell knowing that Allen will get bored and force one down the field that they will have a chance at. At this point, the only solution I see is for the coaching staff to get in Allen's face and force him to take every underneath throw he sees and forget anything down the field until he forces teams to respect the fact that he will take the free cheese as long as they give it to him. He does that for a while, and the big play will open back up. Over the offseason I made it a priority to go back and watch the first half of last season when he was playing like the best player on the planet. It was astonishing how different those games looked than what we are seeing now. In the first half of last season, Allen was constantly taking the correct checkdowns and moved the ball down the field almost every drive. Then, when teams started to creep up, he'd hit them over the top. The offense was beautiful to watch for the most part. But, somewhere along the way, he started to press the ball down the field more and more and ignoring the underneath stuff that was open. Unfortunately, that has carried into this year. I mean, early in the game, the short game was clicking and we were moving the ball. Then, by the time the 2nd half rolled around, he was always looking downfield first and it just stalled the offense. It's on Josh to figure out that if he wants the big plays to happen, he has to start small underneath and force teams out of that 2 high coverage first.

I mean, I can't blame him for feeling like he was going to get hit every play. The pressure was getting to him so fast most of the time, he expected it even if the pocket was clean. That happens to a lot of QBs, but the great ones should not panic under pressure. He was bad last night and didn't know where he was supposed to go with the ball on several occasions. It was a terrible outing for him.

The thing is, he can't make the decisions for Allen. There were several plays that Allen made the decision to push the ball down the field when it wasn't the right decision to make. There was one play I saw, maybe on the INT he tried to force to Davis, his primary read should have been to Kincaid over the middle of the field. He was open on a stick route. Not only that, Diggs was wide open on a crosser. But, in the end, Allen ignored both of them and pushed the ball into harms way. Dorsey deserves blame for the overall gameplan for sure, but he can't make the decisions for Allen.

I have no idea what happened on the sideline or if anyone said anything to Allen. Allen knows, but he tends to put so much on his shoulders that things snowball when they go wrong. That was one thing Daboll was able to do when he was here. If Allen was off or making terrible decisions, he had no problem getting in his face about that. I don't know if anyone did that last night, but it surely didn't feel like anyone was trying to reign him in. Sometimes you have to protect the player from himself. That is on the coaches.

It wasn't an easy watch and not much got better going back through it. But when you watch the game back, and some plays over and over while knowing the result, you tend to see more of what is going on in other parts of the field that could have made that play more successful. And you see how someone doing something wrong on another part of the field puts other players in such a difficult spot and they have to eat the blame for it. There was a lot of bad in the game, but it wasn't all by the players in the spotlight on certain plays.

Yeah....in the end this is what it comes down to. There have been times in the past where he takes responsibility for losses and we know that it wasn't the case and he's just being a good teammate and leader. But last night he was definitely responsible for the loss. If he just checks it down and plays a boring and simple game, we win. It wouldn't have been pretty, but we would have won. Instead he actively hurt the team with his play. He needs to get it together and I think he will.

Well, it's not getting much better working my way back through the game. It was bad. However, while there is enough blame to go around, looking back on it, I think we were a little to hard on certain players and coaches. Now, I will say that I haven't looked at the All-22 yet to confirm what I saw from the broadcast angles, but I will do that and adjust anything if necessary. 1. Tre White......far from the biggest problem in this game, so I am just going to get this out of the way now. First, the TD. I'm sorry, but if anyone if going to give him grief over that, I don't know what to tell you. He was in good position, made a play on the ball, and the WR made an amazing catch. But, other than that play, you never heard his name in coverage and he was solid in the pass game. As for his 2 missed tackles that led to big plays. Yes, they were a problem and he has to make those tackles. However, on the 83 yard run, he was put in a terrible position. We were completely aligned wrong at the snap and McDermott has admitted as much. We were playing a gap defense, and the 2nd level was off a gap and should have been bumped over to Tre's side. By the time the play was coming Tre's way, he was pretty much responsible for 2 gaps. However, even with that happening, he put himself in position to make the tackle for a short gain and just didn't get it done like we'd want him to do there. But for those just railing on him saying that he was horrible last night, that just isn't true. Yes, make the tackles. But he was done no favors by his teammates. 2. Terrell Bernard......Again, he wasn't perfect by any means, but for someone making his first start at MLB, he did some good things. He shot gaps and made a couple good stops in the run game. His average depth of tackle on his run stops was only like a yard and a half or something. He put himself in good position on several pass plays to take away throws that went unnoticed because the ball didn't go to those spots. He did allow a couple of receptions that were killers, though. It's going to happen, unfortunately, and the Jets attacked him a couple of times. He did get wiped out of some plays for sure because of his lack of size, but he wasn't the tire fire that this board made him out to be last night. Cover 1 actually just released a breakdown of his game and I would encourage you all to check it out. He wasn't perfect, but he wasn't as bad as everyone was making him out to be. Regardless, if your defense give up 16 points, you would take that any week of the season and should win those games. 3 Ken Dorsey....The most controversial one on this list for sure. I will preface this by saying that he didn't call a great game overall. There were certain calls in this game that were head scratching and unforgivable (I'm looking right at you Draw on 2nd and 15). But there were definite times in this game where he had the right call at the right time and guys were running wide open and Allen didn't make the proper read. When Allen said this game was on him, it really was. There were several times that Dorsey had the right call and for whatever reason, Allen ignored his first read, second read, and sometimes his third read where any one of them would have allowed for a positive play and first downs. Unfortunately, many of these brain farts for Allen turned into INTs instead of easy positive plays. These plays were not on Dorsey. They are on Allen. Again, Dorsey deserves his share of the blame in this game. If for nothing else, he deserves blame for not finding a way to reel in Allen when he was going off the tracks. His game plan was fundamentally flawed, however. I, and several others, noted going into the game that the weakest part of the Jets defense was their LBs in coverage over the middle of the field. Kincaid and Knox should have eaten in this game over the middle. And, for whatever reason, it looked like we wanted nothing to do with the middle of the field last night and I can't understand why. Kincaid looked the part last night, especially on the couple of catches he did have. But, he only had 2 catches on 2 targets! That is inexcusable in this match-up. The way the game set up and the way he played, he probably should have received 10 targets. If Dorsey and Allen just want all the way conservative and just checked it down to Kincaid and Knox underneath all game, we probably walk out of there with a win. All that said, Dorsey deserves his share of the blame for sure, but Allen did him no favors ignoring his intended reads on several occasions. I am willing to bet the All-22 will be a lot more favorable to Dorsey than many want to admit. He just didn't get any help at all from his QB. There is plenty more we could get into this game about. And, I am sure we will over the next couple of days. But these were a few things that jumped out on the initial rewatch. Again, if the All-22 shows a different story I will update my thoughts, but there is a lot of trash being talked about this game and I just am not sure it was all warranted. What is warranted, is any criticism that Allen is getting today. While I will say the first half was not terrible and was probably passable in many ways, that 2nd half was atrocious and maybe the worst football I have ever seen him play in the NFL.

There's a lot to be said about this game......and everyone is saying it. But man, would you rather be the Bills and just lose an awful game or would you rather be the Jets, win the game, but lose your HOF QB for the season. I bet if you ask the coach of the Jets, he'd rather have Rodgers under center next week than winning tonight. The Jets won the battle, but probably lost any chance of winning anything meaningful this season and maybe next season as well.

He made a couple of nice plays, but his lack of size was really used against him tonight. He was manhandled at times and just got blown up on more plays than you would like to see. It's his first game, so I am willing to cut him a little slack, but he has a long way to go. In the end, he just might not be physical enough to win consistently. Won't be surprised to see someone else starting there sooner than later.

He should have had 10 targets tonight.

The defense gave up a few huge plays because of missed tackles on the edge. And the offense really stunk. But it wasn't all bad. It will be forgotten because of the way the rest of the game went, but man......the defensive line, particularly Groot and Floyd, were monsters out there. I can't wait until Miller is back and joins them. They were unblockable at times and it was nice to see. Hopefully they keep building on tonight.

It's definitely trending in that direction. Now, the defense was not terrible for the most part tonight and the line played well. But there were a couple of crucial missed tackles that led to huge plays against us and cost us points. But he wimped out on 4th and 2 early in the game and his OC had perhaps the worst possible game plan against this team. It's a long season and there's a ton of games left to figure it out, but there is a lot to get corrected, especially on offense.

No excuse required. He stunk in the 2nd half. On to next week. Long season and it's about playing your best at the end of the year. Eat this and move on.

I am not well.....

OH......MY......

Whelp...... It's gonna be on Bass unless the offense does something stupid which, based on tonight, is completely possible.

Whelp.....Allen is going to have his chance at redemption, but for the first time in a long time, I don't have any confidence he will get it done.

Still think not going for it on 4th and 2 was a major mistake.

Well, what are you gonna do on that one......