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I watch these games the Ravens play and I am not sure Jackson is the MVP on his own team. Henry, when he is running well, is absolutely just as, if not more important than Jackson to that team's success. If you pulled Henry off that team right now, their chances of winning anything of significance drop dramatically. Can you say the same thing if Cook went down for us? I mean, I think we'd just throw Davis and Johnson out there and be fine. But Henry means a ton to that offense and if he's not there, they would not be nearly as dangerous in my opinion. I am not saying Jackson isn't great or isn't having a great season. He is. But it is so much different. With us, Allen accounts for like 90% of our production on offense. If you look at Jackson and Henry being on the same team, their production level and importance to that team are a lot closer than these Ravens fans want you to believe. Even the TDs and yards Jackson got today were to guys that were WIDE open. I mean, that one to Andrews I think anyone in the stadium could have thrown. THey have a great scheme because of the pressure Henry puts on you and it just makes teams so concerned with him that they leave other skill players uncovered.

Not having a guy within 10 yards of Andrews standing in the middle of the end zone is certainly a choice...... But hey, what another MVP level unbelievable throw to another wide open WR by Jackson.

Yup.....a Steelers win today would be good in the long run providing we take care of our business. That said, I don't expect it to happen. Don't trust the Steelers to be able to score enough points.

I don't fear the Bengals defense at all, but their offense is a different story. They have so much fire power on offense that they can win in a shootout if need be. These other teams like the Broncos, Chargers, Texans, etc, I don't feel like they can just score at will.

As long as the Bengals don't find a way to sneak in, I'm good.

I mean, we have no idea how the seeds will work out yet, but obviously, with the Chiefs winning today and only needing one of the last 2, the one seed is gone most likely. Hopefully we'll know for sure heading into week 18. That said, I truly hope the consolation prize for us having to win an extra Playoff game will be for us to be able to rest our guys week 18, and for us to be able to avoid the Ravens and the Steelers in the Playoffs. Let KC have to deal with one of them before we play them in the AFC Championship game. Those teams are just so physical and in January, they will be tough to beat, especially for a team like ours that really isn't built that way on defense. So yeah.....hopefully it works out where we can rest guys in week 18 and then have to deal with teams like the Texans, Broncos, and Chargers to get to the title game. It's not that I don't think we can beat those other teams because I do, but the physicality of those games would be on a different level.

Yup....as soon as we got good, they took it away.

I mean, we've all said it in this thread, but there is no way Mahomes has a high ankle sprain. That injury prevents guys from walking and puts them in a boot where they don't have a chance to play for multiple weeks. Mahomes is out there running normally with no limp (except for the couple plays that don't go their way). He may have twisted an ankle or something, but he had nothing more than a mild ankle sprain. No way you will convince me otherwise.

I mean, we all see it.....they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. It's one of the reasons I will never pick the Bills to beat the Chiefs in the Playoffs until it actually happens. They get every call in every crucial situation. It's hard enough to beat them on their own, but when the refs are just there to act as a failsafe for them, I don't see how anyone could pick against them when it matters most in the Playoffs.

You knew that bailout was coming.....

Von has been OK this year. He's shown flashes of what he used to be while also showing his age and injury history at times. Is he worth the money we're paying him right now? No, obviously not. That said, this season, and every year that Allen is our QB, is about one thing......the Super Bowl. If we are blessed enough to get there and have a chance to win it, if Von makes the play that wins us out first Super Bowl, he will have been worth every penny. It could be 1 play......but if it's the biggest play in franchise history? Yeah.....it will have been all worth it. So, to me, Von's story isn't written here yet. I'll get back to you when he leaves the team or retires. Or.....I'll get back to you if we win the Super Bowl in February.

As someone who grew up watching football from the early 80s, it has always been the Dolphins for me. Yes, I hated the Pats* with a passion, probably on the same level, but it was different. Today, I don't really hate a lot of teams. But I do despise certain fan bases which translates into hate for those cities. A lot of those fan bases like the Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, and of course the Dolphins, are just the dirt worst. So arrogant and entitled which in turn brings delusion and I can't stand fans that can't look at things objectively. I mean, the Chiefs fans went 50 years without winning anything and all of a sudden they think they are owed the Super Bowl every year and that Mahomes will always be the best of all time even though it is obvious that he isn't head and shoulders above the other top QBs in this league. Ravens fans might be even worse. I mean, wins never have been and never will be a QB stat. Until QBs start playing defense as well, wins will always be a team stat, not a QB stat. I mean, even if you ignore this fact, the only fan base that can say anything is the Chiefs. But these Ravens idiots are getting out of control thinking they are just at a level they haven't even sniffed yet. They think Jackson should win every MVP ever no matter what else is happening in the league. I would argue that Allen has been better than Jackson every year in the league to this point, and the stats really do back it up, but no.....Allen will never be on Jackson's level no matter what. Last year Allen had 15 more TDs and almost 500 more yards of offense and they say stats don't matter and that Jackson clearly deserved it because the team won a couple more games. This year, the stats are almost identical, the Bills have won more games, and are doing it primarily with Allen having no stars or household names and like 10 staples of this team walking out the door in the off season. It was being called a transition year and Allen is putting up video game numbers and willing this team to wins. But no, all of a sudden stats matter and since the stats are close, they think Jackson should win this year too. Look, I have nothing against Jackson. He's a great player. But their fan base is just full of nutjobs which in turn makes me hate the Ravens even though I wish I didn't have to. And finally you have Dolphins fans. Enough said........ So yeah, the fan bases cause me to hate team more than I normally would.

Solomon has been pretty solid considering where he was drafted and where he was drafted from. Slightly undersized, but has all the pass rush tools you look for. I have watched some of his tape specifically this season, and from the limited reps he gets, there is a lot to like, especially heading into the future. The most encouraging thing he shows is that he doesn't just rely on one pass rush move to get home. Sure, he is a speed guy and that is where he will hang his hat most of the time, but he has flashed other moves to win which is usually the knock on a lot of speed rushers. Many times guys come into the league because they can win with speed, but as soon as the tackles figure out you don't have a counter, guys get in trouble. I definitely think having Von on this team has been great for him. You can see when he plays that he has adopted some of Von's teachings. He has shown Von's famous "ghost" move, a nice swim move, and a spin move. His bull rush isn't too bad either. That said, he isn't a perfect player. He has lost contain in the run game at times and he has missed some tackles. There have been multiple times this season he has beaten his man badly, but hasn't finished the play. There have been at least 2 or 3 instances I can think of where he has had the QB dead to rights but hasn't gotten him on the ground. So, his tackling/finishing needs work, but he definitely has flashed some potential this season. Not that I don't think he won't have an impact the rest of this season, because I definitely believe he will, but this will be an important off season for him. He will have had a great taste of what the NFL is about and what he needs to work on. Like I said, he has shown the tools, but this off season will be a great opportunity for him to work on the little things to help him finish those plays next season. But yeah.....overall, there are reasons to be excited that this guy can turn into a player for us for years to come if he continues to work on his craft. The talent is there. May depend on how much of a worker he is.

For future reference, I think that the Ravens should just assume that if they think Jackson has set some kind of QB record, that Allen has already done it first. Allen holds so many of these types of records that you lose count.

This is an interesting conversation that can go in many different directions. Right now, at this moment, the answer is Bruce. He, for my money, is the best to ever do it at his position. I know some would argue this for sure, but for my money, I'd take Bruce. Bruce, at his best, was an unstoppable force. You could argue something similar when it comes to OJ. His 2000+ yards in 14 games will never be broken. He may not be the best RB overall in history, but you could argue that he was the best ever for a period of time. As for Allen, his story isn't written yet. He's the most talented QB in Bills history. In my opinion, he's the most physically gifted QB I have ever seen play this game. I am as big a Kelly fan is there is, but even Kelly would tell you that Allen is a better player overall. Now, Kelly is in the HOF because of what he did in his career and he is an all time great for this franchise, but Bruce was a better DE than Kelly was a QB. It's a different era, and the game has changed dramatically from what it was in the 80s and 90s and it is hard to compare QBs sometimes because of this. But, as someone who watched every Kelly game at some point or another, Allen reminds me so much of him. Not so much in playing style, obviously, but the mentality, heart, desire, and toughness that Allen shows makes me think he could play in any era and be great. And, when it's all said and done, I truly believe Allen will go down in history as maybe the best to ever do it. He may never get to 7 Super Bowl wins or have the accolades that some others do, but he will set passing and scoring records that haven't been seen in the history of the league, providing he stays healthy and plays for a long time. So, what's the answer? Bruce for now.....until 1 of 2 things happen. 1. Allen leads this team to a Super Bowl win - The second this happens, he takes the number 1 spot no matter what he does the rest of his career. 2. Allen finishes his career as a Bill, MANY years from now, and continues to play at this dominant level. In the end, I have have no doubt that the answer to this question will be Allen one way or another. It's just a matter of how fast it happens. For me, I hope he lays claim to that title this upcoming February.