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  1. hilarious. even better would have been for the dude to say, "eh, dad thought lombardi was a so-so coach."

     

    i've never heard of the lombardi/canisius connection before but was able to dig up some info from larry felser's "the birth of the nfl." apparently, felser ran into lombardi in a restaurant early in his green bay years. at that time, lombardi admitted to felser that canisius was "the disappointment of my career." He had interviewed for the canisius job in '47 (when he was still coaching high school) but didn't get it. as a result, he ended up coaching at fordham.

     

    according to felser, years later lombardi would later deny making this statement, saying he had never been turned down for any job in his career. felser suggests this denial was simply meant to preserve the aura of invincibility he had cultivated during green bay's golden years.

     

    it's certainly interesting stuff and well worth the read: http://books.google.com/books?id=HiL53_048JgC&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=lombardi+canisius&source=bl&ots=bjujsK7t2i&sig=q73mxrL_7cRPK2DWTL-JlHFbXg8&hl=en&ei=Mc0KTeH4NY3CsAOw4eGOCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lombardi%20canisius&f=false

     

    Wow - holy crap! What a find!! My father was class of '50, so indeed he was there at that time. I figured he knew the story correctly - he was a sportswriter for the student paper (actually, I think Felser was there at the time, too. I know Rick Azar sat next to my dad in a lot of classes).

     

    That is really interesting reading, and no doubt Lombardi is full of crap, like Felser points out. Even in the HBO special, it talks about Wake, Army, the Giants, etc. turning him down.

     

    Thanks!

  2. one more interesting fact (at least to me): when lombardi was teaching high school basketball at st. cecilia's, he had a player named mickey corcoran. corcoran would later become a legendary high school basketball coach in the nyc area, often crediting lombardi as his mentor. one of corcoran's high school players was bill parcells. as a young coach (and indeed throughout his career), parcells adopted the coaching philosophy of corcoran, who he viewed as his mentor.

     

    for this reason it's often suggested that parcells comes from the lombardi coaching tree.

     

    becoming a great coach sometimes requires one to stand on the shoulders of giants.

     

     

    That is very cool info!...........A guy I knew in high school said his father played for Vince Lombardi in high school, and I said Wow, really - what did he have to say about him???. He said "Says he's the best coach he ever had." I'm like "Really - no **** - who was his Pop Warner coach - Pop Warner?!?"

     

    I'm about half way through this and it's excellent. One thing I was hoping they'd mention is something I knew when I was a kid from my father who was a Canisius grad and this probably happened when he was there. Lombardi was about to become Canisius' coach at some point and then took another job. I'm not sure when it was, though - when he went to Fordham instead or Army, or when he was being looked at by Wake, or when he went to the Giants.

     

    If anybody knows about this, I'd be really interested in the details. (I knew them about 38 years ago!)

  3. Oops, missed the 3rd page before posting. Anyway, I think those posts pretty much back up what I was thinking. Most of the more recent stuff that you mentioned seemed to all be covers/re-workings of those original classics. I've heard plenty of them, but at the end of the day, pretty much everyone is still going to associate those songs with the original versions.

     

    Yup, I agree. Except for TSO, which is a mix, I think I can count on one hand songs that I consider very good to great that were written in the last 55 years........And, I do like the religious ones more myself, too. I have been looking for years for a straight up version of Silent Night, like you would hear at Midnight Mass, and have yet to find it. They all do their own twist on that. And, oddly, O Holy Night, they almost always do straight up. I can find 1000 great versions of that.

  4. Yeah, another vote for Wham.

     

     

    And not to hijack, but I had an interesting conversation with my wife last week about Christmas songs (actually, only one of us thought it was interesting I think). My point was that Christmas music (excluding religious hymn-types) is an interesting genre because it is comprised of mainly a static group of songs that get played every year. It is very difficult for "new" Christmas songs to break into the rotation of classics. Every tacky Walmart Christmas Collection CD seems to pick from the same 20-30 songs. And I might be exaggerating a little, but it seems like every one of those songs was written between 1930 and 1960.

     

    I'm no music expert, but maybe the advent of Rock & Roll caused this. Maybe Christmas music just meshes better with the Mel Tormes and Bing Crosbys of the world. It's just strange that, for a long time (1930s-40s) new Christmas songs were being written every year and they have stuck around for decades. But I could count one on hand the number of original Christmas songs written in the past quarter century that have managed to elbow their way into the rotation. Weird.

     

    (By the way, if you made it to this sentence, that's about 150 words more than my wife did before she unpaused Oprah and wondered why she married me).

     

    This is such a great post. The way you bookended it with the thoughts of your wife is hilarious!

     

    From the rock era: From the past decade, the only song that is now considered a Christmas song that I really love is the Goo Goo Dolls' Better Days.

     

    From the past 30 years, the only two that I can think of that are original that I love are Do they Know It's Christmas by Band Aid, and Christmas is the Time to say I Love You by Billy Squier.

     

    And, maybe the only other rock one that I love ever is Run Rudolph Run by Chuck Berry, covered by Keef and many others.

     

    However, there are a lot of reworkings of old songs into rock versions that I love: The whole Phil Spector Christmas Album (highlighted by the Ronette's Sleigh Ride), Bruce, Mellencamp's I saw Santa, Moody Blues What Child is This, and I could go on and on.

     

    And almost anything TSO has done is great. Which is a combo of original and reworking of classics.

     

    And one song that puts all of it together - old song, new lyrics, old crooner, rocker is Little Drummer Boy with Bing and Bowie. Love that!

  5. I hate "Wonderful Christmas Time" (Paul McCartney), "Hey Santa" (Wilson-Phillips) and "Blue Christmas" (Elvis)

     

    Agree on all three. Blue Christmas is one I forgot. Doesn't he also sing that horrible Here Comes Santa Claus?

     

    I'll turn the dial on the Beach Boys and the Eagles ones, too, but they are not as bad as these three.

  6. Pretty cool picture... ONLY in BFLO would they want to discredit it! I think somehow the reasoning is that it makes the area look bad...:wallbash::rolleyes:

     

    Nobody is trying to discredit it. I said it's an amazing picture. Since 99% of all things emailed to me like this are not true, I had some doubts. I wondered where the picture could have been taken from, and figured it could be photoshopped.....It's already proven that the email was wrong in saying that the picture was from two weeks ago.

  7. Like somebody mentioned above, the words Last Christmas popped in my head when I saw the title.........But, I have my mind so blurred on bad Christmas songs that I thought that that was the McCartney one. You guys mentioned a lot of horrible songs. Another one is that Elton one, whatever that is.

     

    I was driving the other night and wanted to hear Christmas songs, so I put on 102 and 96, and the hit rate for me was about 20%. I had to just turn it to the Lake, where I know I'm going to like at least 75% of the songs, even if they aren't the Christmas songs I wanted.

  8. I noticed in one of the pics, you've got about 5 guys (presumably coaches) all lined up, toeing the line. That is not the natural way a bunch of guys would stand to watch a game. They've gotta be there as you said to impede the gunners progress &/or incite a penalty if the gunner goes OB.

     

    I just was listening to espn radio's pregame or whatever was on, and they said several teams have been employing this strategy (according to several other teams). They probably didn't fire the guy because Ryan told them all to line up that way.

  9. Okay, I just made a call to get some clarification here, cuase I want to make sure I'm up to date on how this all works.

     

    The fact of that matter is that the ONLY way your driver's license is LEGALLY BINDING document with regard to organ donation is if your state has a first person registry and your driver's license is linked to said registry. Apparently in Georgia, some time in 2008 they created a first person registry where if you establish or renew your license after that date, and you indicate you want to be a donor, you are entered into the first person registry and this is legally binding unless you change it.

     

    Here is the caveat, and this is why I said what I said earlier about making sure your family is on board: There has NEVER, EVER been a time when organs were harvested from a donor, even WITH a legally binding contract, where the family objected to the donation. Even though the organ bank COULD overrule the family and legally harvest the organs, they WON'T do this. There have been many occasions where there was a valid, consenting donor but because the family did not want it done, the organs were not harvested.

     

    So, as I said above, if you want to be a donor, talk to your spouse, mother, kids, etc and make SURE they are on board with this.

     

    What kind of family would go against their loved ones wishes and not let that person give the gift of life. Ridiculous.

  10. He's gone. Just got back from vet. House is so empty without him it's surreal. The vet was crying when she came in the room ... that's how much she cared for him. She apologized for not being professional, and I told her "no, that's why I chose you to do it. Because I knew you cared." Yes, I stayed in the room. Couldn't imagine it any other way. He looked so peaceful after, very much like he was still with us. Then she carried him away wrapped in a powder blue blanket, everything covered but his head. Very much like someone clutching a newborn. I'd take him back in a heart beat.

     

    Wow - now I cried again. I used to go a decade between cries, and now I went a week......That was very powerful. That's amazing that the vet cried, too.

     

    I really like want Nanker said - "The pain you feel is the measure of that love."

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