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No, this is the part where you click on a thread to complain that it exists.

Isn't he talking about Sully's column in Monday's paper? That was soooo lazy.

It sure seems that way. It used to seem that the booth was just a stop before they get back to coaching................I always thought Jimmy Johnson would go back. And, now none of them do. I can't blame them at all. I wonder if they really make millions though. I'm sure they make good money, but what they do doesn't seem to be worth millions.

I was really tired today when I was listening to S&B in the car, but I swore Joe B. had crazy analytics that were way different. He said something like we had a 30+% chance to win even if we didn't make the fourth and 10, and only a 15% chance if we made the field goal................That does not compute!!! But, of course, No Punt Mike lapped it up. Saying that kicking the field goal would be the stupidest thing ever. His whole campaign Monday was about how conservative Marrone is (due to not going on Flinchgate). But, this 4th and 10 was NOT conservative, and I think it was stupid.

I already said that. I'm addressing what you said. There was only one guy making that call, and he had the angle that the first vine video did. Not this angle. As opposed to "pretty darn clear, and from the refs POV it shouldve been very obvious."

So that Cathal ahole is back. I thought he was fired. I hope there is no long term issues here!

I seriously thought it wasn't fair that we were not allowed to get at that guy. LOL........And, I was sober, too.

You can't see it on TV who made the call. There was only one guy who did - and he had the angle of the original vine.

The debate on GR right now is if it was intentional and possibly from the coaches. Schoop called it Flinchgate. Haha

Was the ref in the end zone? It definitely is clear here. Still don't know how the ref who called it saw it.

Yup

Yeah, I watched my DVR tonight. The only thing that I disagreed with him was he kept saying kick and then onside kick it. No need for that. I'd play field position with the D we have and try to get the ball back around the 40 or so. Yeah, it is a menu. Good catch. Good article on him in the News. Last year, he stood next to my friends and I at the concession stand at halftime, and you we did a total double take, and then were dying laughing. Kudos to that guy: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/11/10/behind-vine-fake-andy-reid-story-lookalike-fan-went-viral/

Yes and yes!

Thanks. Very interesting info! I read Sunday's Buffalo News tonight and there was an article interviewing Crosby about all this. What was shocking to me was that the Penguins got him with only a 6% chance.

Right now, I'd want Beckham and next year's first.

A problem I have as analytics: In the last 10 seasons, teams have attempted to convert a fourth down with between 8 and 12 yards to go in the fourth quarter or overtime 559 times. They got the first down or touchdown on 214 of those plays, a success rate of 38.3 percent. This doesn't take into account the specific team. Orton was having a bad day and Sammy's injury was making him a shell of himself.

I made this suggestion and the guy in front of me kept turning around and shouting NO at me! I would be good for going for it, if was closer than 4th and ten.

I can accept the chickish thing, but when you start comparing me to Tom Petty, that is unacceptable.

I never said that more posts makes you immune from making bad posts. I am saying when I read an incredibly stupid post, I then look to the post count, and it's always a low post person.

You're really a strange person.

Go away. You've been an idiot since Day One.

Agree with everything here. The QB sneak is so underused by the Bills. But, has anybody ever seen this twitch call before??? I was saying at the game that the refs almost always get this call right;.but they blew this one.............That's because everybody in the stadium is looking at exactly what the ref should be looking at - down the line to see real movement towards the opponent........I've never seen a muscle twitch called!

Did Edmonton keep winning the lottery, Cleveland Cavalier style, in order to have the first pick so many times? How often were they last in the league?

Thanks, Rob and John