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Jackson, not Johnson. He will get drafted for return ability for sure. I'm not sure he is going to be much more than that in the NFL but his play in the return game should keep him in the league for a few years. You'd have to worry about how poor he was at the Shrine game against competition he should have been dominating. That was definitely a concern for me.

Only just seen this post but coming back to this thread.... we disagree on Franklin but I like most of the rest. Definitely think Newton is DT1 - he is my top defensive player let alone top defensive tackle! Wilson is gonna be pretty good I think but agree Watson, especially if it is day 3, is going to end up as a bargain starter for someone. My comp for Abrams-Draine is actually Trent McDuffie. I don't think he is as complete as McDuffie or as pro-ready but the play style and athletic profile really reminds me of him. I started the process higher on Kamara than I am now, but definitely agree on Harris. I think he could even be an option for the Bills as the rotational guy behind Ed.

Thanks for posting. All of that accords with generally where I am on those three guys. He probably ends up half a round higher on McConkey than me but his conclusions as to his fit and route to success in the NFL are the same. I had made both the Thomas - DK comparison and the Coleman big slot projection in this thread too.

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I really hope that is what they do.

The Bills had Sammy, Woods, Harvin and Hogan with Roman. It wasn't elite but it wasn't exactly depleted. I just think the best players are receivers and the Chargers biggest need is receiver. Picking Joe Alt and then playing him right tackle would be bad value IMO. And Slater is very good. If I was the Charger GM I'd pick best WR available at #5 and if they don't I think it will be a significant error.

If the Chargers go into the season with what they currently have at receiver it will be without question the weakest receiver group in the NFL and not even close. I just can't see how they generate any offense at all with it. I get the Oline point but they have a left tackle. They also have a first round left guard. As much as I love Joe Alt are they really spending a third first round pick in four years on offensive line? I think anything other than pick the best receiver available to them is unspeakably dumb. It is by far the biggest roster need and it is where the genuine top 10 talent is in this draft. Talk about value matching need. The other thing to throw into that mix of course is Arizona. If they trade back and the first four picks are QBs I am not sure where the callers are for a trade up. Maybe someone else calls to get up for MHJ. But if the Vikings and their two picks are off the board as a partner then what are the offers? Future picks? I mean maybe Harbaugh is happy to punt on 2024 somewhat... hard to know. It is not a position of need. Johnny Newton is a 3T. The Bills have one of their best players at 3T, they just paid him and he just had a career year. You can't line Newton up with Oliver in anything more than pure pass rush downs. And if they are going to spend a 1st round pick on a 3T and then force fit him into a 1T shaped hole.... well they deserve everything they get.

I think it is fixing a problem that doesn't exist. In my near 25 years watching the league the only true intentional tank job was the Browns in 2016 and 2017 and the lesson from that period has been that if you don't then get the Quarterback right it doesn't matter a jot. What they have ended up with is a pretty talented team. But they had a good not great QB and so ended up trading the farm for one they thought was better and with a whole cargo train full of baggage. Yes, well run and well managed teams in the main maximise potential better than badly run teams. The Bengals are still a badly run franchise. They just have Joe Burrow. Conversley the Steelers are still a well run franchise. They just don't have a Quarterback. The idea to fix that by giving Pittsburgh a chance to get its QB after finishing 9-8 just means the Bengals and others will be perennial bottom feeders and in a franchise league with no relegation that is bad for business.

@DJB here is the link to my top 5 As I say.... I had Jefferson as a second so I am not claiming a total W. I was right on Higgins and Aiyuk. But wrong on Jeudy, wrong on Jefferson and who knows on Ruggs.

Ha my top 5 will be on here somewhere. I am not sure Kudos is deserved. JJ is the best receiver in the NFL and I had a 2nd round grade on him. I liked Higgins and Aiyuk a bit more than most though.

Yea I was Lamb and Jeudy, then Ruggs. I actually then had the next 4 as Higgins, Aiyuk, Jefferson and Pittman. I do think it was similar in that there was consensus wise a top 3 and then a 4th guy who most but not everyone liked (and from LSU as well) then a gap and a group of guys who were seen as late day 1 / early day 2.

Definitely more explosive. Not as polished or nuanced. I wouldn't be stunned if in 5 years he is the better NFL player. I still have Harrison and Nabers closer than I do Nabers and Odunze.

I hope nobody was harmed.

I don't think he has to. Let me be clear on that. But I like that some as a fit for his skillset.

Yea page 3. And it no longer exists.

He wasn't helped by his QB a ton, for sure. I dunno. He just ends up competing for almost every ball. It is why I quite like the big slot idea. Scheme him some free releases against zone and get the ball in his hands. I like him quite a bit after the catch.

I agree in terms of their talents. And three years ago I might have agreed with what they'd do. But I suspect they do feel just a little bit of urgency given everything. Maybe Newton just goes much earlier (I'd take him at #9 if I was Chicago and the top 3 WRs were gone - he is my top ranked defensive player) and it saves any debate. McDaniel was trying to be his "bro" at the pro day too. That was very cringe but possibly also telling.

I think it is definitely stronger at the top than 2020. This top 3 is better than that top 3. The next tier - Higgins, Aiyuk and Pittman is comparable to the next tier this year.

DeJean? No chance.

It hasn't. And it may still not. But this is a different level of talent. Wade was a really good club player who wasn't international rugby standard (beyond being an excellent 7s player). This is one of the top 5 or 6 young talents in world rugby turning his back on the game at 23 to try the NFL. If this works out I promise you he will not be the last. The world of rugby union is terrified. As mentioned above the Eagles tackle. But more importantly - a talent as good as LRZ has never tried it before.

The 2016 Bama team is the exception. That had six guys who have gone on to be NFL all pros. Calvin Ridley, Ryan Kelly, Derrick Henry, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Marlon Humphrey and Eddie Jackson. And then there are a bunch of others who have had decent careers - Jonathan Allen, Jarran Reed, A'Shawn Robinson, OJ Howard and Cam Robinson. Those two Bama - Clemson national title games in 2016 and 2017 were chocked full of guys who have been good to great NFL players. I believe them to be the two best college football games in terms of standard I have ever watched. I like Zak Zinter in terms of value where he will go and talent the best of all the Michigan guys. I think he could end up a starting guard for a decade and you can get him day 3.

Ha. Really in this scenario they have to get above Baltimore. They have been all over Morgan in the process. If he gets to them he is gone. And I think KC really likes him too. There are two cases IMO of two teams appearing to have zeroed in on the same tackle and I have trades in both circumstances.

His drop rate wasn't that low.

Levi has accepted he blew the call. Has said so publicly. He played it wrong.

He never had the temprament for it either though. Was his own worst enemy a lot of the time.