GunnerBill

I think that is one way of looking at where the Bills were at. But it was also legitimate, as Tirico and Collinsworth discussed on the broadcast to look at a team that lost a ton of leadership and core guys. And I don't think many of the talking heads who didn't pick us to win the division thought we were gonna be a sub .500 team. Maybe one or two did but I think the majority just thought this was a 9 or 10 win team and that might not be a division title. That shouldn't be that controversial, there were plenty of our own fans here he thought the same. Personally I always thought we would win the division and 11 wins was kind of our floor as long as Josh stayed healthy. As for the trusting Woody Johnson point, I agree on that. That was what I was saying in the post you replied to. Their bigger mistake was over valuing the Dolphins and Jets. I was always of the view the Dolphins would take a step back. Their defense is a mishmash at the moment, they lost their best defensive lineman, they lost two starters off an average at best oline and I don't believe in their coach as a leader. He can design and call an offense, but that does not a Head Coach make. I thought the Jets had potential to put it all together but I was sceptical because I know who Aaron Rodgers is. The chances of him genuinely buying in to this group and not turning it into the Rodgers show were always slim IMO. So trusting either of those teams to displace the Bills was the mistake. Neither of them had the sort of solid foundations on which success is built. And while it is true that sometimes in the NFL teams have lightening in a bottle seasons without those foundations, doesn't feel like a wise bet to make when picking division winners pre-season.

This prediction was colder than the snow.

It takes everyone in the building as Sean might say.

I know why it's on.... @transplantbillsfan didn't start his thread in week 2 guaranteeing us all it would happen. That thread was an annual plague on all our houses.

I think the bigger mistake the doubters made was not underrating the Bills I imagine most if you asked them still had us above .500. But they waaaaay overrated the Jets and Dolphins. Those teams are who those of us paying close attention thought they were. And unlike Denny Green's Cardinals.... the Bills have not let them off the hook. They sensed blood in the water and they pounced.

4th and 7 or longer the math on going for it is much less persuasive. I think the only mistake in that game was if you are willing to fake punt then you should be willing to just put it in Josh Allen's hands. He is your best player. Damar Hamlin is not.

He picked the Jets when we won there too. He adds zero value.

Cybo had great blocks on the first TD drive too. Both on the play to get down there and the play to score.

Came off grimmacing after his receiving score too.

Cybo is a good shout. I always find oline harder to evaluate live but the replays we say he had a good game. His season is like last year in reverse. Then he started hot and cooled off. This year he started slowly but is picking up momentum.

The most un McDermott moment of his reign haha. The players and staff should celebrate this though and be proud. I always thought they'd win the division even when there was the doom and gloom pre-season but they have exceeded even my expectations to this point. Just goes to show when you have good leadership, set the organisation up the right way and then you find the right QB... good things are going to happen.

Josh Cook Knox Rapp Benford And (second half) Bernard

Well I wonder how @BeavercreekBillsFan is coping? He spent all week saying that San Fran +6.5 was buying money. Purdy was gonna be a problem. Bosa was gonna play. Shanahan was gonna outcoach McDermott. That sounds like 0 fer 4.

He hasn't. Purdy is still in and Samuel is still out there.

There is a flag.

This is so dumb from Shanahan.

I wouldn't have tried to kick from there tbh. Punt it.

Swimming through sick lullabies

If Shanahan didn't have a huge ego he'd pull his guys now. With all the injuries they have risking more in a folorn effort would be dumb.

Haha. We have it again. I take it all back special teams.

Can we maybe not give up 50 yards on a return?

Agree because he will not protect himself. Take him out, put Mitch in, and let Davis and Johnson plough into the line. We might get two more possessions and even if they are 3 and outs as long as we keep the clock running its gravy.

Haha. Josh Allen can't help himself. Ball game.

Don't think so. Not sure there was any contact.

Thats a hell of a throw and catch in this weather