GunnerBill

The argument here isn't about whether Coleman is capable of making plays. The debate isn't "is this guy a first rounder or an undrafted free agent?" The debate is whether he is a first round talent or a day 2 guy. And I just watched the first 3 games worth of that video - including LSU which was his best game and I remember watching it live at the time and being in the shoutbox saying "man we gotta get this kid" but I still don't see him separate. In fact the thing that most stands out when you see the LSU film now is how much they are trying to create space for him in the way they use him - and his big play touchdown in the corner of the endzone comes from using him in the slot getting a free release and then just letting him box out the first defender he encounters who is the safety. I don't think Coleman is a bust. I just don't think he is value at #28 because the flaws are there on film.

We already have a thread on this. But yea, the breakdown between Stef and Josh is sad as much as anything. When those two were on and united the first 2 and a half years it was like poetry in motion at times.

Yea in the traditional sense it is slightly outdated. I prefer to talk about "outside downfield" receivers - which means guys who can get off press, have the speed win down the field and make contested catches - and "move" receivers who are more like your traditional Z receiver but who you actively want to move around the formation looking for mismatches. They are ideally a bit more shifty than long strider, good route runners, and have some YAC capability. That doesn't mean you never run a go route with your move receiver and it doesn't mean you never put your downfield guy in the slot or at flanker (traditional Z)... but in terms of building a WR corps with complimentary skillsets I'm still looking for guys who fit broadly into those categories. The Bills are a good example of the contradiction in using the old fashioned terms in that Diggs played X a lot for us but he was really the move receiver. Davis was more the outside downfield guy.

Where are the plays where you see the separation? Because I've done 6 games of Coleman and way before the combine I was saying I don't see it. He came out of the season with an indicative 1st on my board from tv viewing but when I really sat down and started to break the film down the more I watched the lower I got on him. He doesn't separate and for a guy who doesn't separate he isn't consistent enough at the catch point. I agree with you on his ability after the catch. I love that element of his game. It is the thing I like most about him. It is another reason why I think he could be a monster of a big slot. He can duke with the ball in his hands or he can just run you over and when he gets up to full speed he is fast enough especially if inside against linebackers and safeties. As for your comps..... Thomas, Marshall and Nacua.... drafted 2nd, 4th and 5th rounds respectively and Drake London I said was overdrafted at the time and so far that looks correct (although London still separated better than Coleman IMO). If the Bills picked Coleman at #60, or with a small trade up in round 2 I'd be fine with it. At #28 or as the first receiver they take after a slight trade back into the top of the second I'd feel like they left better options on the board.

Ha. We have all done it. In my first draft of version 2.0 of mine I got to the end and realised I'd missed Fashanu. Luckily what I do now is just try and write out the team to player matches and then only once I am settled I have a 32 that works and is logical do I start writing up explanations. Because from bitter experience if you miss a guy who should got top 15 suddenly youbare rewriting half your draft because it can affect 6 or 7 picks. Used to happen in the old days apparently when the teams would sit around in the room and pick. Pre-tech. Teams would forget a guy was still there sometimes just presuming he was gone and suddenly a round later he'd be picked.

Yea that is fair. Parsons is in the conversation though. He is a stud.

He is but less a big bodied one which I presume was the point.

What did you trade away? Our entire 2025 draft, your wife's wedding ring and your soul?

With the 83rd pick in the 2024 TSW Mock Draft 1.0, the Los Angeles Rams select: Adisa Isaac, EDGE, Penn State I had four primary targets for the Rams when this round started. The two linebackers - Trotter and Colson - have gone but the highest grade of the four by my board belongs to Adisa Isaac of Penn State who is still here. He probably only suits teams that play a 3-4 defense at the next level but he has that lean, angular frame and offers great length which reminds me of Leonard Floyd who had good success in this scheme for a couple of years. The Rams got good production out of Byron Young as a rookie on the right side last season and Isaac's skillset is a good compliment for what Young brings. I think he starts as a rookie and can have a productive career in the league. @julian and the Pittsburgh Steelers are now on the clock.

Some people here still remember him being drafted with a "linebacker" designation and therefore presume that when the Bills ran all over the Cowboys they were running right down the throat of Parsons and he couldn't stop it. The reality is he is now an edge rusher. He played 108 snaps at linebacker the entire 2023 season out of 910 total snaps on defense. He was playing on the edge at Buffalo and their offensive gameplan was all about not giving Parsons the opportunity to make plays in the backfield - which he did 121 times last season..... that's 13% of his total snaps where he had a pressure, sack or tackle for loss. Yea. He's pretty awesome.

Think you mean 2022 and 2023... unless you can predict the future.....

He certainly isn't Vita Vea. I have a latish 2nd on him, but I actually was quite impressed with how much he gets into the backfield and how quick he is off the snap for a guy his size. But I think his ceiling is a good 1T. It would have surprised me if he got out of round two previously, but it wasn't impossible. I think he'd have gone 2nd half of the second round. Now I think he is at more serious risk of going in the third.

It's never about just a testing time. The problem for Keon is long before he ran the 40 at the Combine the thing that everyone agreed was a potential red flag for NFL purposes on his tape was his separation ability. Then he went to the Combine at ran a 4.6 and confirms what the tape shows. This is a guy who is going to struggle to separate at the NFL level. It doesn't mean he can't play, or is bound to bust, but it means that it would not be a wise use of a 1st round pick. Personally, as I've said before, I look at Cooper Kupp as the comp. Bigger guy (okay Coleman is 6'4, Kupp is 6'2) who struggles to separate outside but is good with the ball in his hands. The Rams just plugged him in as a big slot and said "we'll scheme you open" and that is easier to do inside where you are going to get more free releases and see more zone coverage. Kupp went early round 3, Coleman still has a 2nd round grade on my board and most others that I speak to seem to agree. I know you might say "but in hindsight now you'd take Kupp in the first round!" And my answer would be - no I wouldn't. Because in the case of Kupp the results would justify that as a good tactical move, strategically it is still not a value way to spend a first round pick.

That's a good pick. I think he'd start right away at SAM for the Commanders and there is a chance long term he could develop into an option at MIKE once Wagner retires / moves on. He was one of my four targets. But I'm now three picks away and the other three are all still on the board, so I'm getting "one of my guys".

I started this round with 4 potential targets. I am 8 picks away and all 4 are still there. Starting to get fidgety.

Before my time, but that wasn't just a QB losing his elite WR was it? It was a QB moving from a great team to a less great one.

Don't worry. You got the better guy.

Yea makes sense. Booker is the opposite of a lot of the rushers we were talking about before... I think Trice, Braswell etc are best suited in 3-4s. I thinkn Booker needs to play in a 4-3 and so the Dan Quinn scheme works for him. That is how it is going to be. The first two rounds will be WR and OT heavy.

Yea I can see him being a "surprise" first rounder. A bit like when Green Bay took your guy Quay in the first a couple of years back. Wasn't a bad prospect by any meana but wasn't a first round talent and reaching, even if only a bit, on a prospect at a non-premium position in round 1 is always a head scratcher.

For sure the responsibilities are interwoven. No question. The pair are in lock step and should be judged as a regime rather than as individuals.

Oh I am not suggesting the Bills rotated less (save for Ed who played at 70%) just that others are now rotating much more as a matter of course. The days of it being a novel strategy or unusual to rotate 7-8 guys through up front are behind us IMO.

I crunched the numbers on their rotation earlier in the offseason. While 7 years ago they werw ahead of the league that gap has all but disappeared. The top 8 or 9 teams in the league last year with the exception of KC (who had 3 of of their starters around 70%+) were right in the same spot as the Bills when you worked it all out.

If, as looks likely, the Cardinals are sticking with a 3-4 defense (slightly odd to me as Gannon ran more of a 4-3 as DC in Philly his scheme was actually very McDermott like) then I love that fit for them. I like Trice and I think he could play as a base end in a 4-3 but I think to unlock the pass rush ceiling he is best suited to a 3-4 and rushing primarily from a 2 point stance. And they definitely need pass rush help in Arizona. It was brutal last season.

Yes. He is competing for gunner and 6th receiver. No more than that.

Do you think maybe he and Beane have already talked turkey? I am kinda kidding myself to hope that Beane knows he has very little money especially until the Tre deal cash comes off the books and has said to Simmons "look come play for a contender, don't bother yourself with OTAs and mini camp, stay in shape but have a nice break - here is the deal we'd offer if someone blows that out of the water in the meantime fair enough but otherwise no need for you to do the visits circuit, we want you."