GunnerBill

No, Shanahan and McDermott are in the same bucket. They are very good coaches who have had plenty of success but haven't been able to close the deal against Reid and Mahomes in the playoffs. I think if you switch the two teams around conference wise the Bills defeats are the Superbowl and the 49ers defeats are earlier in the playoffs. I'm convinced of that. But ultimately it's the same point. Some of how they are there is different: McDermott's had great Quarterbacking but lacked elite pieces around it; Shanahan's had average Quarterbacking but a ton of elite pieces. Shanahan's got further in the playoffs but if 0 fer against Andy Reid; McDermott beats Reid more than anyone else but has gone out earlier in the playoffs to him. McDermott's special qualities are his leadership and his culture building; Shanahan is the best offensive Xs and Os coach in the business. But you get to the same conclusion with them IMO.

I'd got the vet route for a free safety, yes. I think Hamlin is a free agent in any event but we should be upgrading there even though the kid has played as well as anyone coukd have expected.

Big Phil started it off. Beane and Big Phil are definitely in love.

It will be tight IMO. Whether he does or he doesn't I'd guess it will be no more than 2 either way. I'd say somewhere between 11 and 15.

He used to call Daboll "Dabes" a lot in fairness.

I understand your take. But I genuinely don't think that logic holds. There is too much randomness, too many variables.

I believe it is what defines a career too. I just don't necessarily believe that every coach who wins a Superbowl is automatically a better coach than every coach that hasn't. It isn't that simple. I think a coach needs a championship to be regarded as great. But having a championship alone does not equal greatness.

The only one that springs to mind is Evan Williams in Green Bay. Can't remember where he went though? Early day 3?

I don't agree with all those being on coaching. I don't think Cincy was. The Bills stunk from top to bottom that night. And in the final series last year there were options for Josh to take on both the final two plays that he didn't.

We need linemen? How many? We have 10 on the active roster and, presumably, Carter to return. He was playing STs because he was up as the 5th receiver and if you are up as the 5th receiver you need to play some teams.

No active HC in the NFL has beaten Andy Reid more times than Sean McDermott.

Only just seen this - what makes you say that? Because the two times he has been through it since he took over the process has been very much run by people within the organisation in such a way that Terry has made the calls completely uninhibited. On both occasions he overrode the opinion of his General Manager in making the decision. Didn't like Kyle Shanahan when he met him in the 2015 process, insisted he wasn't even on the interview list in 2017. Whaley and the Bills front office wanted to hire Hue Jackson and keep Jim Schwartz in charge of the defense, Pegula met Rex liked him and decided to hire him. Whaley didn't think they had identified a stand out candidate in 2017 and wanted to keep conducting first interviews, Terry and Kim already had McDermott and his wife for dinner on the yacht. To be clear I am not saying either that: 1. Ignoring Doug Whaley was a mistake; or 2. That worries about the way Terry would run a recruitment process for a replacement is in any way an argument for keeping McDermott. But I just don't see any evidence based on how he has behaved in the past that Terry Pegula would be at all hands off in the next recruitment round. I think he would want control of the process. The second half of your statement I agree with - there is evidence with the Bills that once he has hired his guys he is willing to step back and just write the cheques. But I think he is only comfortable doing that because they are his guys. He handpicked McDermott and then on McDermott's advice tabbed Beane for GM.

It's also worth saying he has looked more comfortable in the scheme the more experience he has had in it, even from week 1 to now. And that is big in this defense. Do your 1/11th etc.

I think there are enough voters who believe these days that there is no real justification for an MVP that isn't a QB. At least I hope so. If there was ever a year for a non Quarterback to win it then it was last year.

No I call out you saying things that are not true.

Not true. We didn't allow that in the AFCCG. You are trying to find narratives to suit an already decided conclusion. It is classic confirmation bias.

Which of those games did we lose because we couldn't stop the run?

I don't think Marty was a running joke. And I don't think McDermott is either. I also think it is harsh to say that McDermott hasn't held up his end of the relationship. I see how you get there if you are looking only through the prism of the defensive performance in playoff losses to KC. But bigger picture McDermott has been a good Head Coach for Allen in terms of the environment he has put around him.

Yea that is all true. It has always been a mystery to me and most of the NFL I think how someone his size can be so dreadful vs the run so consistently. I think the reason he pass rushes better in Buffalo is likely the Bills are the one team who understand what he is. A 3T in a 1T body.

My definition of what makes a great coach is different than others. I am not trying to redefine success. Sean has had a degree of success. The ultimate success is the objective standard of winning a Superbowl. In Sean's case I think winning a Superbowl would make him a great coach, because he has the rest of the resumé to support that. I don't think winning a Superbowl automatically makes someone a great coach though. Doug Pederson isn't a great coach. Never will be.

No, I don't. Although Bud Grant was, unquestionably, a hell of a coach. Being good and being remembered are not always the same. McDermott will have to win a Superbowl to be remembered. There is no question of that. But I was responding to @Buffalo716's point which I think is right... if he can get the hardware suddenly the entire resume is incredibly persuasive.

It is a big one. I disagree on the second point though. I think there are multiple Superbowl winners who haven't done those and are less good coaches. But as they say once you've won it they can't take it from you.

I mean his run play was BRUTAL on Sunday. But yea, he does always seem to find his pass rush shoes in Buffalo in a way he never can anywhere else.

What are the criteria for being a great coach in the NFL: 1. Can you build a programme? Check 2. Can you develop players? Check 3. Can you win football games at a high rate? Check 4. Can you show consistent excellence on "your side of the ball"? Check 5. Can you lead through adversity and roster turnover? Check 6. Can you win Championships? [no check] That is literally the one thing McDermott is missing. And I understand and appreciate why to some people they say "and that is all that matters". I get it. But it is the only area where he comes up short. If it gets to the point where the Bills have to move on he'd be hired by someone else within days. I don't think any fired coach since Reid in Philly would be re-hired so quickly.

Ha. Collinsworth and Romo are both definitely guilty of that. If that is your main irritant it is entirely consistent with your wanting Kirk or Troy. To me Kirk normally comes across as bored and Troy as drunk but if low key is your thing I can see why you like them. Literally my only criteria for being a good color guy is can you tell me something I haven't seen. And Collinsworth still does that better than anyone.