GunnerBill

It probably is yes. I agree. But not by Devin freaking Singletary. He is a backup who spent 3 years here masquerading as a starter.

I watched it. No it isn't.

I went for the probably convetional; Pat; Josh; Joe; Lamar. I'd be absolutely delighted with any of the 4 for am entire season. But in the 1 crunch moment that is the order I'd take them

Singletary doesn't have the vision or change of direction of Cook. There is zero chance he makes that play. Zero.

Pats only swept twice in their dynasty. That is a staggering stat to me. I think Bills have done it once (in the Allen era). They would have done it last year too if they needed to, but that applied to the Pats a time or two as well. The finishing with a division game definitely affects how rarely teams sweep. The best team who would be capable of sweeping often doesn't need that last game.

The Bills are not trading him at this point. Save for like a Saquan type guy going down in camp and the Eagles deciding they gotta make a move and overpaying. There was a point where a trade was on the table between the parties as an option but that has passed. And Cook is going to be here and play. Zero point zero point zero per cent chance.

Fair enough. But in that matchup where they have exactly the same team I'd take 2024 Jalen Hurts over 2024 Matt Stafford in a heartbeat. Go back 3 years I'd have taken Stafford above most guys in the league but he isn't that player any more.

I don't think he was consistent at all in 2024. I think his best he still looked like the old Matthew Stafford. His worst he looked a lot like Rodgers did. Those games they won down the stretch they won on defense, with the Bills game a stark exception. Everyone else they were beating 12-6 or score of that nature. Their defense held the Vikings to 9 in the playoff win. I don't think there is any way he is the 5th best Quarterback in the NFL right now. Personally I don't think he is top 10 anymore, he is just outside that.

It's a good point that for a lot of Bills fans who only watch Bills games and the post season they probably saw the best of Stafford and that likely influences opinions.

Yea I think the "eye test" would tell you the past 3 years Stafford has not played as well as any of those guys you have him grouped with. So it is a Championship from 4 years ago that raises him up. I just think that is slightly inconsistent with the way you have ranked those in the elite group.

Yea. 9 = 13. That's just MATH.

I think everyone should list only players they have seen play. Mine was since 2002. I just think highlights, stats and reputation are not great ways to rank guys you have never seen play.

I think there is a fundamental inconsistency @Kirby Jackson and @HappyDays between having Mahomes 3rd or 4th based on "other guys playing better the last two years" and then still having Matt Stafford at #7 and #5 respectively. Over the past two seasons if you look at: - passing yards - completion rate - touchdowns - passer rating - yards per attempt Across ten data points over two seasons Matt Stafford is top 10 in exactly 1 of those ten - yards per attempt in 2023. I love Matt Stafford. He has had a great career and he will be an interesting HoF debate when he comes up in years to come. But over the past three seasons since he won that Superbowl he has been closer to the 15th best Quarterback in football than the 5th. I know he had the elbow injury in 2022 and that might be part of the explanation but I think he is what he is right now. I still have him in my franchise group but while for almost 10 years (even when he was in Detroit) I banged the drum that he was a top 6 Quarterback and at the top of that "best of the rest" category, I think he is towards the backend of that group now.

Hurts is QB5 to me too. He is not the 5th best passer. But that's a different question. When I look at the entire package, the leadership is off the charts, the 600 plus rushing yards every year and the ability in the clutch... I think that puts him at the head of that group after the elite guys.

I'm not as persuaded. He needs to be better than 2024 for me. Not to prove he can be an NFL starter on a decent defense. But to justify being paid in a non-premium position.

Tier 1 - the elite 1. Mahomes 2. Allen 3. Burrow 4. Jackson - - - Tier 2 - the franchise 5. Hurts 6. Herbert 7. Prescott 8. Daniels 9. Goff 10. Love 11. Mayfield 12. Stafford 13. Stroud - - - Tier 3 - the starter 14. Tagovailoa 15. Purdy 16. Nix 17. Smith 18. Lawrence 19. Murray - - - Tier 4 - the question mark 20. Rodgers 21. Darnold 22. Maye 23. Williams 24. Young - - - Tier 5 - the bridge 25. Fields 26. Wilson 27. Richardson 28. Flacco - - - Tier 6 - the unknown UR. Penix UR. McCarthy UR. Ward UR. Shough

He is 9th in AAV if you only include MLBs. But it isn't even that. It isn't where he ranks against his peers. It is about where else the Bills could have allocated that money.

He also seems to have accepted that the criticism was warranted. I give him real credit for that. Genuinely I do. As someone who isn't the biggest fan of his game I think his presser was really impressive. He did indeed put some trash on tape in 2024. It wasn't all trash. It was interspersed with some good. But impressive for a young kid to hold himself to account the way he did.

I'm not saying he needs to match 2023 to be clear. But there is a need for some of the 2023 splash plays to make that contract worth it over the long run.

Right now I see Shakir and Keon getting the bulk of the snaps, targets and yards. Palmer and Moore I see more as situational players and honestly I don't know where I see Samuel's role. McKenzie gadget? Backup and spot duty? Regular starter? No idea. Yardage wise Something like: Shakir 800 to 1,000 Coleman 700 to 900 Kincaid 500 to 750 Palmer 400 to 600 Moore 250 to 500 Samuel 100 to 350

Yea if the replacement is Trubisky they win somewhere between 5 and 7 IMO. If it is league average Quarterback - the Geno Smith Test - it's 8 to 10 If only there was a thread where these opinions could be posted.....

Less than a week ago.

Yea agreed - that was the point I was trying to make with Bernard. The Bills love him because he is in every way reliable. He lines up correctly, he gets others lined up correctly and he is assignment sound. He is a leader and a mature professional off the field. There were excuses for the regression in 2024, and even on 2024 form I'm not arguing Bernard was a problem or a weak link or anything.... I'm just saying for me to like the contract long term there needs to be some more of the 2023 playmaking. On pro bowls vs all pros I get ya but to me I think 1st team all pro comes first, then 2nd team all pro and then pro bowler.

Okay I was literally one yard out in my Khalil Shakir projection for last year (and bang on the money for TDs) so let's see if I can repeat the dosage with Keon for 2025. 96 targets 52 receptions 858 yards 8 touchdowns

I think he made more throws that night than in any other game where I legit went "no other human in the world can make that throw, not even Mahomes." The perfect game v New England don't get me wrong Josh was great but the offense was humming. Guys were open all over the field the Bills just had the Patriots beat every which way.