GunnerBill

The team doctors and independent doctors all recommended surgery. Wilkins refused saying he just wanted to focus on rehabbing it and then for whatever reason it still isn't right (seems like people think Wilkins has not committed to the rehab).

Ha. In the very simplest terms the Bills DBs do more read and react than the Cowboys DBs. Playing outside in the Cowboys D traditionally (under previous DCs) their corners just play press at the line and then run vertically with their receiver. Values long speed and ball skills over processing speed and quick transitions. That said I have just remembered Matt Eberflus is now their DC and he traditionally has run some more Sean McDermott esque combination zone concepts. Will be interesting to see what their defense looks like.

Not a pre-season depth chart.... but through 3 days of camp he has been exclusively with the 1st team offense. There is no way that right here, right now he is 5th on the depth chart. And I say that as someone that isn't particularly a fan of him.

I don't think he is a good enough contested catch guy to make a living that way. I agree he is never going to run away from anyone so it is down to two things for me: 1. Can he dictate the route from the off more? He needs to be the protagonist more, he is too reactive. 2. Can he improve his spacial awareness at the top of the route? That is where I think he really struggles. He has to feel that contact and play off it and I don't think he can live that way. So it is nuance that he needs to develop.

He needs to learn to play to space out there not play off contact.

He was in college too. I just think he is miscast trying to force him as an X receiver.

Mine is not hate. But he is a non-separator outside. That is just a factual statement. He was in college and he was last year. I think he has a role in this league but it is not the role I think the Bills want him to play. Keon's best attribute is his run after catch ability. You gotta get the ball in his hands close to or around the line of scrimmage and then let him use his power, agility and vision to make defenders miss in the open field.

They kept 9 OL last year. I can't see them wanting to let any of those 9 go, especially when the rules require you have to have 8 up on gameday. They kept 5 linebackers (some years have kept 6) and again because of what you need for special teams I don't see a world where keeping only 4 makes sense. They will keep: 2 QBs, 1 FB, 3 RBs, 5 WRs, 3 TEs, 9 OL, 8 DL, 5 LBs, 9 DBs, 3 STs - as a minimum. That gets you to 48. I think it leaves you 5 spots to allocate between WR, DL, DB and any wildcard you don't want to lose at another spot.

I have been a Coleman sceptic since long before he was a Bill. I had provided a pretty full critique of him on this forum even before he ran his infamous Combine 40. I think as an outside receiver he is never going to be more than a guy in the NFL. If he is going to really succeed in the league it will be as a big slot or a flanker used almost entirely on inside routes where you get the ball in his hands quickly and use his best attribute which is his YAC ability. I've said this since February 2024. However, on the bolded - he isn't. He has been with the 1s entirely I think through two days of camp. Now he had a very rough day one, but unless I've missed it all of his action day two was still with the ones. That doesn't indicate him being buried on the depth chart. I share your concerns about him long term. But right now, the Bills organisation still sees him as a starting receiver and I don't expect that to change before September. Whether it is the same come January? Different question.

That's your opinion. I disagree.

I think George Pickens is more a contested catch guy than he is a separator but he sort of separates at the catch point with tremendous agility rather than just relying on 50/50 balls. Mike Williams (just retired) had a pretty good run with the Chargers as a #2 who was mainly a contested catch guy, couple of thousand yard seasons in there.... and he had less YAC ability than Keon. But I agree separation is the thing that generally sustains in the NFL and there are not too many guys who make a living as mainly a contested catch monster and the ones that do are better at it than Keon is right now. Keon's pathway to success is as I said pre-draft, big slot or flanker running short in-breaking routes where you get the ball in his hands quickly and let him make things happen.

It's who Keon is. He is a non-separator and he isn't a good enough contested catch guy to get away with it.

Yea he comes from a much more scheme adjacent place to the Bills than Elam did from that Florida defense. Most of his holds come in transition and in and out of breaks. The Bills D requires much more of that than the Dallas D. Don't get me wrong, I think Elam might be beyond rescuing at this stage - but it was my position on the day we drafted him that the Bills defense would expose his worst weaknesses and mitigate his biggest strengths. I never thought it was ever a fit. The Dallas scheme is much closer to the type of D I think Elam can succeed in.

Awesome guy who understands the responsibility that comes with being the face of a franchise.

I am not going to pretend to be an expert in Nielson's career, but failing as a coordinator does not a bad position coach make. For proof of that look at our other line coach - Aaron Kromer on the offensive side. Widely respected as one of the best OL coaches in football and has done a brilliant job since returning to Buffalo, but his one stint as an OC in Chicago was a failure. Position coaching and coordinating are different skillsets.

I think he played at a borderline elite level in 2024. But it will take a repeat of that for me to put that him fully in that top tier. That said he is better than Jaycee Horn today, tomorrow and yesterday. He needs to show he can play his responsibility more consistently for me before I am committing to him as a starter. He still makes way too many mental mistakes.

There was significantly less competition in 2017. There was Ronald Darby (later traded) then a bunch of absolute scrubs.... Shareece Wright was probably the closest to a proven vet.

Yes we can. He can't play outside. He is a slot only.

Meh. I think every situation is sufficiently different as to not create an unharmful precedent.

I have been saying for weeks there is incentive on both sides to do a short term bridge deal that allows Cook some security to get on the field but still allows for him to cash in fully in the next two years as a FA (with the Bills or elsewhere).

We will see on Williams. He was still struggling with the mental part of the game last year, even at the end of the season. I'm starting to worry he just won't ever get it. If he does he could be a beast. But I do wonder whether his processing skills will ever allow him to get there. On Kincaid I think he will be better than last year. Just see him as a complimentary piece not a feature peice and as a 1st rounder that is a tad disappointing.

I'm less confident than you on Kincaid and Williams at this stage. And I liked both picks at the time. I'd price "none benched" as a strong odds on favourite, but agree Cyrus would be second favourite in that market.

I think in pen. I'd be stunned if they started anyone other than the same five from last year, health allowing.

Yea it tracks. I mean they took Polk a full round ahead of where his talent shoud have had him because they wanted a "bigger body."

I'm going just under..... I think slight uptick in passing TDs, slight drop off in rushing TDs