GunnerBill

I think he is slightly underrated. Always has been. I remember the heat I took on here after their rookie seasons for saying Goff's tape was better than Wentz's and that the results being skewed the other way was about circumstance not their abilities. He isn't the 2nd best QB in the league, obviously. But the QB market is the QB market. Either you have a guy and therefore when he comes due your are paying him top 3 or 4 money in AAV or you don't. They are the only twp options as Minnesota's failed attempt to keep Cousins this offseason showed. He is about to turn 36 coming off a major injury and the Vikings offered him what they thought that was worth and were blown out of the water.

Yep giving up a day 3 pick for one of those types I don't rule out. Just not sure if they move the dial particularly for the team. Meyers would be my favourite from that list.

I don't think he is the contested catch dominator that either of those two were and he doesn't have the close area quick feet of Hopkins either. Agree though he is a difficult pro comp. I actually think his best route to success in the NFL is big slot and again I said that on here before the Matt Harmons and Daniel Jeremiah's of the world went there. I there is some late career Larry Fitz there. But I do mean late career Larry Fitz. I agree ball in hand he is a weapon. No doubt. It is how you get him the ball in hand and even at Florida State a lot of the plays where they did that to best effect was out of the slot with free releases. When he gets to dictate the route his physicality pops on the screen. When he doesn't and it is contested the entire way he is definitely less impressive.

I agree he can do most of what Gabe can do. I don't think he quite has the body control in tight areas of Gabe at this point but I am pretty sure he can develop that with NFL coaching and he isn't "bad" at that so much as Gabe was good there. As for your areas of improvement the only two I give you without contest are athleticism and hands. I think Coleman is better in both areas. That was my view before his slow run (indeed there is an exchange between @HappyDays and I on here the Friday of the Combine week before the WRs worked out where I said that). I still say that, 40 time be damned. I think he is also more versatile. You might call that route tree - I'm not sure I would but I take the point to an extent. Beyond that.... I give Gabe the advantage as a blocker (though Coleman isn't bad), I think awareness, catch radius and route running are ties at best for Coleman. That is where we differ on our evaluation of who Keon is. And it isn't that I hate him. I had him a full round higher than I had Gabe at draft time. But I think there are limitations to his game that even though I see the potential I think will continue to hamper him. It is what I think caps his ceiling somewhat. He is a very good #2 for me. That doesn't make him a bad pick or a bad prospect. It is just where I think ultimately he ends up as an NFL player. That for sure is worthy of significant credit. The most important move you make as a GM is the shots you do (and don't) take at QBs.

I think he is a decent GM. He has some flaws though and his team building priorities are one.

And you are entitled to your view. But I am giving you mine. And it isn't just plucked out of thin air. Even though I am not paid to do this.

Agree he has more route versatility than Gabe. But I am not with you on the Keenan Allen comp. I will be here to eat crow if I am wrong (and obviously I hope I am) but I think he is an NFL #2 WR or a guy who can be a #1 as a big slot in very specific type of offense (which would need some transition from the Bills). I also speak to guys who are scouts in the league. I don't hate Coleman as a pick but I don't think he is a true #1 and nor do people I speak to FWIW. I don't step back and micromanage anything. I think he generally does what he says. And I think he is slightly overrated as a GM by this board. I think his QB and his HC are both better than him.

I think it will be Samuel, yes.

Neither separates naturally. Neither is great off the line, especially against press. Neither is a nuanced route runner. Both need to be better as contested catch makers. I think both are good actually at body control in short spaces. It was one of Gabe's strengths and Coleman does it reall well. I think Coleman is better than Gabe but I think there are similarities. There are differences too. Coleman is much better, more fluid and more powerful ball in hand. I think his YAC is his single biggest attribute. I also agree Coleman is a more natural catcher and he will drop fewer of those "gotta have it" balls. The ceiling is higher on Coleman but to me he is an upgrade on Gabe as a WR2 in the NFL.

I agree with you on the chance of making a trade. I disagree with you on Coleman and Davis being very different. There are some difference but some strong similarities too.

I am not against the idea of hiring him. I am sceptical about the idea you use him in game. I just don't think he will get to a decision quickly enough. That isn't the strength of the refs.

Im not saying it is a good reason. I am saying it is THE reason. How many times has McDermott taken a timeout and then challenged?

A value acquisition is not one of the guys you listed. He means like trading for a Nelson Agholor or a Treylon Burks or something. He isn't saying a trade for a top WR wouldn't make a difference. He is saying the Bills are not looking for that (I agree with him) regardless of whether we think they should be (and I do).

The reason coaches take timeouts before challenges is because they can't get a decision from their replay spotter fast enough. By the time Parry has set out all of those possibilities the team are at the line trying to run another play. I think it would likely add more delay to that process rather than clear things up. I think refs as part of your game management staff in and of itself is not a bad idea.... but I wouldn't be in favour of them having a role on gameday. They are deliberators by trade on these close calls not guys who make quick clear decisions to advise on throwing flags.

This is where I think Beane is at too.

It was another 2-3m for the 51 to 53 adjustment last year though. I just don't see the flex to get a headline grabbing trade and even if there were Beane seemed to be pretty clear when asked about it. I'd like him to make one. Our WR room is still a weakness. But I don't see them pursuing a deal and even if they do I'm not sure I see a deal that makes sense. None of the seven guys listed in this thread are doable without creating more space first. They have to be able to absorb the salary they are trading for before they can restructure. That means whatever a guy is bringing with him in salary (not cap hit, salary) this year has to fit under the cap. If it doesn't they can't make the deal. Are some of the guys not named Aiyuk (because he can't adjust his) possibly guys who might adjust their deals to facilitate a trade? Sure. But the Bills would be paying a premium to the trading team for that. I would still like a true #1 type receiver. But I don't think the Bills are thinking that way and I don't think there is an obvious deal for them even if they are.

The combo of things Beane has said it is for - draft picks, 51 to 53 adjustment and in season flexibility for replacements etc. Then roll what's left over. Maybe I'm wrong but I honestly can't see it.

I don't deny that the Bills needed a QB badly. I wanted them to take one in 2017 and was frustrated then that they didn't quite apart from Mahomes turning out to be generational. It was an ill advised trade. However, I'm not sure the bolded line is true. That really isn't is his skillset. Asking a defensive coordinator to be an expert QB evaluator is a high bar IMO. I agree it was a miss by the Bills and a mistake... but I put it on the organisation and how it got to the place where it hired McDermott in January and retained Whaley as a lame duck GM through April more than I blame it on McDermott himself. And that goes right back to the catalogue of mistakes the Pegulas made in running this franchise until the point when Sean McDermott walked through the door. I don't have any faith that the Pegulas know what they are doing at all. I respect them keeping the team in Buffalo but when you look down the road at their running of the Sabres I think the reality is they are bad sports owners who lucked out getting McDermott and then eventually Beane into the building and letting them run the team. If they had hired Vance Joseph, Anthony Lynn, Frank Reich or any of the other bums they interviewed in that cycle or Keith Butler who Whaley was pushing them to interview this franchise would likely still be spinning its wheels trying to nose a game above .500 every year. That doesn't, before anyone says this is my argument, mean McDermott gets a free pass forever. He doesn't. And fear that the Pegulas would screw up the next hire (their history says they probably will) shouldn't stop them moving on from McDermott and Beane if it gets to that stage.

He doesn't scout the players. Every time you see a scouting box shot from the Combine it is Beane and his staff. McDermott goes for the interviews to get under the skin of them as people.

Brandon Beane has answered this twice and said not and I think they were pretty straight answers. I don't get any sense at all that they are planning to trade for a guy before the season. In season pre-deadline? Possibly. I'd be surprised if anything happens between now and September.

They will not trade for a receiver.

He has a chance of sticking on the PS with those numbers. There is probably no better landing spot for an undersized, athletic linebacker than the Bills. They value those guys higher than most teams.

They also didn't have Patrick Mahomes in their way.

He is a starter. But he is also a complintary player not a feature guy. He is a starting slot receiver with excellent YAC skills.

It is the old only one chance to make a first impression and while he wobbled early that run from rookie year to sophomore year definitely stands out in minds. It did in mine to be honest. Only when I went back and actually crunched the numbers did I realise once you get beyond that period he has been as you say, above average, not great.