GunnerBill

Can one of you clever techy people twll me how to embed an image? Whenever I try it just gives a link to whichever upload site I used. I just did a really good PFN mock that I want to share.

You have Dane in the wrong list. He is in thr Wallace, Lewis, Ingram list. Late round or UDFAs who are serviceable. Alex Austin has actually been that in the league too but we lost him at cut downs and I don't think you can give the Bills the credit for his development particularly. I get your point totally. Relying on a day 3 guy and McDermott to make wine from water is not a strategy. It's a hope. They have left themselves in a spot where they very likely need a corner within the first two rounds of this draft if they want better than absolute baseline serviceable starter play from Jackson. I think they will pick one at #30. But they shouldn't force one. Best player available at a premium spot is still the right law to live by.

I don't think specific allegations so much as personality questions. Been likened to Jermaine Burton by some.

Maybe. These guys have egos too though. The money is important of course but they don't want to be seen as failures.

It didn't hurt, certainly. But Harmon had the best pass rush win rate of any interior defensive lineman in college football. That is largely just because he is very talented.

I voted Bond. But Ayomanor is my 2nd choice, if the off field is as bad as speculated with Bond.

Sure. Financially it worked. Career wise it was the end.

I'd give them the edge too. Miami 9-8. New England 7-10. Jets 5-12.

Correct. It was a direct trade rather than a move up trade.

We traded for Bryce Brown, running back from the Eagles, during the draft. 2014 maybe?

It was.

In which case I just think you are not watching the right thing.

I did warch the playoff games back on all 22 and I do think you are wrong. You haven't watched the all22 you have watched a couple of twitter posts and are spitballing.

I don't disagree the Bills were beaten mentally on that play both coaching wise and execution wise. But even Josh says he got the protection call wrong. It is idiotic to try and deny that as a contributory factor. But to the point of this debate.... Spencer was "abysmal" in the playoffs because of that one rep? Is that your argument? That is even more idiotic.

True. Was a significant coaching upgrade. But also Mitchell and DeJean were significant pieces.

It worked for the Eagles!

Karlaftis wins the rep but he is way out to the right. If the middle of the pocket stays in any way intact he has zero chance of getting anywhere near Josh. That was a failure of the protection call. Spags fooled Josh pre-snap and Josh made the wrong protection adjustment. Karlaftis only has even a slight chance of affecting that play because Josh ends up scrambling to him. And that is one play. His run blocking in the Kansas City game was awesome. And he was really good in the other two games. Saying he was abysmal in the playoffs because of that one rep - which was not even the biggest cause of failure on that play is a frankly ludicrous take.

I have had two conversations in the last two weeks with posters here who still want to argue he can play outside (not permanently but as a move receiver) and one person even said they expect him to be used next season "more like Diggs was for us." Maybe that is a minority and it influences my pick because it is recent but I do think consistently since he arrived there have been Bills fans predicting him to be something he hasn't been. I think he is what he is. My season prediction for him last season was absolutely spot on the money. But if you go back to that thread there were a lot of people predicting over 1,000 yards.

Eh? He was not abysmal in the playoffs.

I agree with @Kirby Jackson it depends whether you mean by Bills fans or by the general NFL media / talking heads. By Bills fans: Overrated: Shakir Underrated: Oliver By wider NFL media etc: Overrated: Kincaid Underrated: Benford

I genuinely don't think that will happen. If he is here I can see him holding out of camp but post Lev Bell my sense is agents do not tell their guys to hold out for half a season. Bell was never the same player after.

It wouldn't have been the way I went about it.

Yea me too. Harmon > Grant. I also don't have my board in front of me. Grant may be a tad higher on mine but we are only talking late 30s.

I have Mason Graham #1, Nolen #2. I love Nolen. But I still just question how you get he and Ed Oliver onto the field at the same time. If we didn't already have Ed I would be banging the table very hard for Walter Nolen.

Barron would not have been a good pick. Again just strategically, off the ball linebacker with a trade up in the top 10. Yuck.