GunnerBill

They kicked the can originally because the division was so weak. They felt two years ago like they could win the division and make the playoffs with a lower end starter like Carr. And the first year it should have worked they blew it at the end. Last year everyone got hurt and they were just bad. In the meantime it turned out the Mayfield Buccs were better than expected and now Carolina and Atlanta have their young QBs. It's time to take the medicine if you are the Saints. I wouldn't draft Shedeur as the Saints unless I honestly had a really high grade on him. If I though, as I actually do, he is just fine as a prospect but lacks special I'd begin the teardown and rebuild process.

Yea finding a deal that makes sense is the tricky thing for him. He is exceptionally talented though. I think I'd offer my first 4th and maybe a 3rd next year which on the meeting of conditions can be a 2nd? Something like that would be my offer.

You talk about red herring fallacy and then post this?!? Of course nobody would take that deal. But that is a red herring because that deal doesn't exist. Objectively @stevewin's comment is 100% accurate. In that same conversation you were pretending Ryan Fitzpatrick knew more about the play than Josh Allen. We don't need to debate whether Josh made an incorrect protection call. We know he did. He told us he did. It isn't a subject open for debate.

Yea and while that isn't all on him, when you have an elite QB the whole point is they are supposed to come through in those situations. I didn't actually know those numbers before, but they are startling.

a) basically nobody. I'd only make a jump like that for a player in a different tier quality wise so unless Hunter or Carter gets there, which there is no chance of I'm out. b) I'd do it for Matthew Golden and if the off field on either of them checked out I'd do it for Mike Green and James Pearce. They are the three guys to my mind that offer something at a premium position that I am not going to get later. They might not be overall different tier of talents but they have a critical element that I am not gonna be able to find easily later. Golden it's the combination of speed and route running, Green it's the quick translation of speed to power in his rush and Pearce it's the explosive get off.

They would listen. But this class with the teams at the top I am not sure you'd have a deal.

If it was me I'd take the BPA at #9. Take a QB day 2... unless you think Spencer Rattler is better than what you get there. And if you start 0-3 then throw the towel in and tank the season if Arch is coming out. I know @Buffalo716 thinks he will stay in school.

The white smoke has been positive but not seen anything definitive. You are not wrong on the risk for 2025 though. Even if they think he can be a full go by week 4 or week 6 we saw what Cole Bishop as a rookie with no camp looked like. It was not good. Do you want to throw Revel in there in a similar situation?

In fairness I had the same issue for a period from my phone this morning - although on Chrome rather than my usual browser I could access it. Bizzare.

None of the scenarios make sense though. Browns and Giants both have regimes on the hotseat. They are not trading that far back rather than taking Carter or Hunter for future value because if they don't win this year they are toast. And if Hunter is still there at #4 there will be teams much closer to there calling the Patriots. I think they'd much prefer to slide to #12 for example and let the Cowboys go up.

Yea that isn't how NFL teams actually value future firsts in trade ups. They discount the value.

Yea I'd take him. And in his absence I'd trade back.

By now, I agree. I don't think you get a 9 year run (this will be year 9) as a Head Coach in the NFL without a franchise Quarterback. But I think as long as he had serviceable McDermott would have coached 5-7 years here and made the playoffs at least 3 times because he is a darn good football coach. Of course it sort of depends what the counter factual is as well which we can never know, in terms of if they hadn't taken Josh what would their move at the position have been.... that's the great unknown.

I was interested while Golden was there because I think he had a skillset not available to me later. I'm not sure I see that in anyone else.

I'd give up on them for a twice used tea bag.

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My hot take is that Sean McDermott would have taken at least 4 of the Bills drought teams to the playoffs - 2004, 2008, 2014 and 2015.

Okay so 2hrs 15 from here? Just trying to work out whether I can pick before bed ha. What I might do is send you a full write up of options 1 and 2. Then you can post for me? I know who I am taking and if he takes my guy I know who my fallback is.

@quincy hasn't been here since Wednesday evening. How long does he have? @Virgil

I no longer have any interest at all in a Bills trade up

Where I am too. The Rams is the highest I'd consider going.

I think his transitions always made him a real clunky scheme fit. He is just not quick enough to change from backpedal to close and vice versa. I think there are and were other issues too but that was the biggest one.

So was I. I was higher on Gordon even than McDuffie and while McDuffie is an outstanding player, Gordon has developed into a stud himself. I had Elam as CB7.

Actually a trade up for Golden if he makes the Rams pick costs our first fourth and our last 6th. I'd be in on that. I think in real life might cost a 4th and a 5th but by the chart a 4th and our final pick of the draft late 6th does it.

Yea my intel is the Bills were not taking McDuffie.