GunnerBill

Yes.

I knew Zay wasn't it and Benjamin was a bust by 2018.

I have watched lots of all of them. They are not.

To be clear I don't think anyone is making the bolded assumption. This assumption isn't about whether the Bills would be better with Diggs or Samuel in 2024. That is pretty besides the point now, Diggs is not here. It is about whether going into the this season the Bills are better or worse than they have been going into the last two seasons at receiver. To me they are definitely better in the slot, with Shakir's development and Samuel's ability to play there as required too. But there are weaker outside. Even if Samuel has a career year, expecting him to be Stefon Diggs level of his first 3 and a half years with the Bills - a top 5 receiver in football - is totally unrealistic. Time for people to remind themselves of the offense Brandon Beane believed was NFL calibre in 2018. I am honest with myself. And that is simply not true for me.

And Samuel could have a 1,000 yard season... a career year type season... like John Brown did here (I know he already had one 1k year in his past) but that wouldn't make him a #1 outside receiver talent just like it didn't make John Brown one. It would say more about the fact he is playing with Josh Allen and the lack of alternatives in the Bills' passing attack.

It's both. Do I think Samuel is capable of having a career year? Yes. Do I think he is going to be a game breaking outside receiver in the way Stef Diggs was for 3 and a half years here? No.

His separation rates have consistently been top 6 year on year. It dropped last year but even then only very marginally. So no, it is not completely subjective. It is backed by the numbers. The difference between Samuel and Diggs is talent. Samuel is a good NFL receiver. Prime Stefon Diggs was elite.

Trust me I have seen him play plenty. He is not as talented as Stefon Diggs. If wide receiver was just measurables it would be an easy game. Stef was the best route runner in the NFL. That might not show up on a combine drill but it is the single most important talent for receivers in football. And I called Coleman a big slot on here way earlier in the draft season than Matt Harmon. So I'm not someone who parrots opinions I am someone who watches the film and a lot of it. I think Samuel is good. I haven't called him just a gadget guy or even just a slot guy. He can play outside. He can have 1,000 yards in this offense, like John Brown did in 2019, but John Brown wasn't a game breaking outside receiver either. That is the thing we do not have on this roster.

I'm sorry he is just not. Diggs went in the 5th because he was injured in college and stayed home to go to Maryland. He had other offers. Stef stood out as soon as he walked on an NFL field. I like Curtis Samuel. But he is not close to as talented as Stefon Diggs. Oh Curtis Samuel can probably do that. Sure. But the problem at the end of last season was we lack guys who could truly win 1v1 outside. Once Stef was doing that less it became MUCH easier to gameplan to stop the Bills. I agree he is talented. But he isn't a game breaking outside receiver. He is a nice inside / outside move receiver. Would it shock me if he put up 1,000 yards? No. Would it shock me if he was consistently beating #1 outside corners 1v1? Yes.

Because he isn't as talented as Stef Diggs.

Chiefs. I think they will be better than the past two seasons.

Agree with you totally on Stevie. Contrary to the OP I don't think he is a fit for Josh.

And it is particularly weak OUTSIDE. I don't think you can run a top offense without any outside threat. Kincaid is really good, Cook if he can sort out the concentration drops in the redzone is really good. Knox is better than many admit, Shakir came on nicely last year and Curtis Samuel is a solid starting calibre receiver. But none of those are true outside matchup winners. And there is a reason that in the NFL, as a rule, the outside pays better than the inside. Tackles earn more than guards. Receivers earn more than tight ends and backs. Corners earn more than safeties. Because that is where it is harder to scheme to hide your deficiencies. Outside. Where it is man on man. And if that is where you lack talent then that is a problem.

AJE 9, Groot 6, Von 2. They will get at least 7 or 8 from Ed Oliver to add to that.... but beyond that agree it is a concern.

No its not relevant to the point. What has stopped the Bills winning a Superbowl is one question. What will happen if Diggs and Davis tear it up elsewhere is another.

I am not arguing that. The majority of that is obvious. That is irrelevant to the point I was originally responding to you on which is "what if the receivers suddenly look better elsewhere?" The answer to that question wouldn't be "ah well McDermott's defense was holding Diggs and Davis back." Those miscommunications with Gabe and overthrown deep balls to Diggs that both happened a fair amount in 2023 will be relitigated is what will happen. Whether people here like that or not.

If he can't start early, agreed. Not quite there if he can't start week 1. But if by week 5 or 6 he isn't starting it is a questionable use of a premium asset.

And btw I do think Diggs had lost a step and Gabe is just who Gabe is. My point isn't to suggest different. But the reasons for some of the inconsistency have, legitimately, been put at the door of the receivers. If they both shine (I don't expect they will) that assessment needs revisiting somewhat.

Agreed. But some of the issues on offense last year, were on Josh. I love Josh. He is phenomenal. But he didn't play close to his best in 2023.

It will mean some questions for Josh if that happens.

It's safety. If Bishop can't step in right away we are in trouble.

Not crazy. Just wrong.

Reid is a free safety not a corner.

And Knox played hurt a number of weeks and then missed a chunk of time when they finally accepted he needed sugery. If both stay healthy and they don't find an extra 16 receptions between them I'd consider that very surprising indeed. Agree with someone above.... 110 is too low to put the line.

Easy over.