GunnerBill

Well "fast to process" is one immediate difference to Edmunds. Haha. Edmunds is what I consider a latetal linebacker. He is at his best going sideline to sideline. Campbell is a vertical linebacker. He is at his best attacking the line of scrimmage. He is more like a younger, more athletic AJ Klein to me.

Does it? I mean he can't play the role Edmunds played. They would have to change the defense to start Campbell as a rookie. I think he is a high floor player. But I am not sure he is quite such an automatic fit here. This is a good move. My favourite of the moves made so far.

I liked him a fair amount coming out as a RT prospect. Had a low 2nd on him from memory. Surprised that the Rams went straight to guard with him but he has generally played well there. If the money is right I like this pick up the best of all the moves so far I think. Sure he may not return to form but if he does he is a nice player.

So long as this does not screw the 3rd round pick for Tremaine I am happy with it. If he returns to his 2020 and 2021 form he wins a starting job, no doubt.

I checked their projections against the 3rd and 4th rounders for 2023 and they were spot on.

The reason we don't is the salary cap. 1st round draft picks are 5 years of cost controlled cheap labour of potentially high end talent.

Yea that was my back of a ***** packet maths this morning too. I am not a "comp pick" obsessive but when you are in line for a free 3rd rounder you should absolutely NEVER blow that. No there are not. Over The Cap's tracker gets the odd 7th rounder wrong but otherwise they have a pretty good handle on it each year.

I'm not friends with NFL GMs, no. But I do have a couple of former NFL scouts who I am on DM'ing terms with. And they have been in draft rooms and seen the process even if they were not ultimately decision makers. As for the second line, I mean that was the Rams strategy. They considered themselves in "win now" mode, and valued future picks as being worth less to them in that scenario.

He is more of a difference maker than Dalton freaking Risner. Or Frank Clark at his age FWIW. If we are getting Jeudy in exchange I am here for it. I don't think it makes any difference on OBJ. If he wants to come Ed Oliver isn't stopping them signing him. He just seems to be happy in this holding pattern. I dunno how much he wants to play again personally.

1st round? None. 2nd round? Avila Would have been Vorhees pre- ACL (but not now) Mauch or Bergeron as tranistional options.

Not quite. If you can find a difference maker on offense I am all for trading Ed. What I am not for doing is trading him for a draft pick to dump salary and then scouting about trying to find a way to use that money. If they do it as two simultaneous deals, fine. But dumping Ed's salary for a draft pick in this draft just so you can use that salary on a trade for an offensive player is a) very risky and b) still equates to selling way to low on an asset. The sensible play is to try and use Ed as a pawn in a deal to get your offensive piece.

The Rich Hill chart is definitely worth looking at, but that is a chart that tracks what is happening, it isn't used as a starting point. How do I know? Because I speak to people who actually have experience of being in those rooms. The starting point remains the Jimmy Johnson chart and then the deviation from it depends on the strength of the board at that point. So the last we heard if what we do is a google search is not the same as the reality.

I mean Jordan Phillips is a bigger body than Ed Oliver. But there is zero doubt who is the superior run defender. It ain't Jordan. The question isn't "are there areas that the $10m can be used?" of course there are. The question is who are the guys that make the team legitimately better. Losing Ed to sign Dalton Risner does not. If you are losing Ed for a genuine offensive difference maker then it is a different conversation.

Well you are entitled to do what you want but that is how the valuations are worked by teams. Regardless, no discounting it bumps the overall value of the trade up 1 extra pick. It is still a mid 2nd.

I don't think they know that on Ed. I think they are in a very similar position. I said a year ago I thought they were probably leaning to letting Tremaine go but that they hadn't made a decision. I suspect they are in exactly the same place now with Ed. A year ago Beane was talking about him "being here for a long time" when they picked up the option. The mood music is noticeably more reticent this year as it was last offseason on Edmunds compared to previous years. Maybe that means the decisions were both made a year out, but I doubt it. Just isn't how this regime rolls. I'd make it odds against that Ed is here in 2024, but I don't think it's impossible.

I do. There is NO world in which moving Ed Oliver for a draft pick in this bad draft is addition by subtraction. If the argument is you want to move him just to maximise cap space in case there is someone out there you want to bring in then they should have done that before free agency. To do it now and then simply hope you can swing a trade for someone on offense is bad strategy.

It was a 1st, 3rd, 4th and future 5th (so discount by a round) for a 2nd and 6th. When equalising it all out by the value chart the trade was worth a mid second rounder.

That may be true, but the opposite is definitely true..... they could have had the best gameplans in NFL history on both sides of the ball and if they players had come out and played as they did it would not have mattered one iota.

Nope. It's just a bad idea. Selling a good starter on the cheap just to avoid paying salary makes no sense. You only do that with a player you have no use for. The only way I'd support it is if it is like the Sammy Watkins and Ronald Darby trades.... two moves made together (they traded a corner for a receiver and a pick at the same time as trading a receiver for a corner and a pick). If it was two moves made together where, for instance, we traded Ed Oliver to Atlanta for a 3rd round pick and then immediately flipped that 3rd round pick to Arizona for Hopkins - fine. But if they just trade him for a pick with the idea that they will be able to leverage that pick and then get stuck with it.... that's just an awful move. As for if they want to move on Ed in order to get Poona Ford... that falls in the "voluntarily making your team worse" bucket. And I'm not up for that. The only sensible way to trade Ed Oliver this offseason is part of a package for an offensive starter who can help you now.

He better hope that Singletary contract is a qualifying one for comp pick purposes. Over The Cap doesn't have the value on it baked into its model yet. If it is the $3.75m I have seen reported I think it just gets in. Which would give us a 3rd round comp pick next year for Tremaine. But it means they cannot sign another FA before the end of the qualifying period (which is post draft... mid May I think) with an AAV of more than $3m. I am not someone obsessed with comp picks generally but when you are in line for 3rd rounders I am. If you throw a way a chance at a free 3rd round pick to sign Harty that is bad resource management.

I mean some of us have been saying this since the game finished. The players lost that game. They put out their worst effort of the entire year in the Divisional playoff round. People want to jump to play-calling and they want to jump to coaching and I understand they were not perfect. But that game was lost by the players on the field who (with a couple of noteable exceptions) played without any energy or desire. I don't know whether all the emotion of the season had zapped them, or if the injuries finally caught up with them or what the reason was. But the players played like *****. You could have had Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick calling plays on offense and defense respectively. It was a players defeat.

You shouldn't "get nothing" though if you keep Ed a year. He will get a good free agent contract and you will get a pick back. Unless of course you ruin that with a load of mid tier FAs who mean nothing. That is the test this year on Edmunds and at the moment per over the cap we are failing it. Throwing away a 3rd round pick to have two 6th round value players. We better hope Singletary's deal is a qualifying one.

They are not hiring one.

That gives a net value of an early 3rd. Sensible gamble for Cleveland. Wouldn't have minded the Bills being in at that price (though I doubt they trade in division).

I think his feet and his balance, but I don't dismiss the fact that his head is still spinning (he hadn't played for a year and it was a huge step up from Northern Iowa) and that if his brain slows down his tecnhique will even out some.