GunnerBill

Can they order him a massive steak and double fries? If we are drafting that kid he needs a serious feeding up.

I made clear it was not a diss. Good on him for taking it so seriously. But the testing at the combine is not matched by the film. I am not saying he isn't athletic or that he is slow, or anything like that. But the film does not show someone with elite explosion and elite agility. Normally when the two don't mesh you have a guy who has trained for the combine specific drills. The things that you see on tape in terms of weaknesses are his lack of twitch, his lateral movement skills and his change of direction. Everything Jack Campbell does inside 'the box' is high level - lane discipline in the run game, aggressive downhill tackler, awarness in zone drops, but once you get him outside the box - ask him to pursue on runs to the outside, recovery speed, pick up tight ends and backs in man coverage - that is where you see the limitations that make him LB3 for me. I think he has the safest floor of the 3. If someone asked me which if Simpson, Sanders and Campbell is definitely still in the league in 8 years time I'd say Campbell. I just don't think the ceiling is there the way it is with Simpson (who is a top 16 talent in this class IMO) and Sanders.

Before my time watching the league. I found football age 18 on holiday in the States in August 2002. I didn't really start paying much attention to the draft until about 2009 and I started trying to grade players in 2014. I'm about to turn 39 so no, you are not far off!!

I have been trying to get up for him for about 5 or 6 picks. It is absolutely nuts that he has lasted this long in this draft when I look at some of the players chosen. Home run pick.

Crikey.

Yea you have to be comfortable with the off field. And that is the stuff an amateur just cannot know. Teams who have met with him and have access to the people who have been around him have a much better shot.

I think Porter is safe as houses personally. Kid can play. Skoronski I agree if a team drafts him to play guard. I worry if you play him LT he might fail fast.

I was a little off kilter with you on the end of round 2. I am more aligned on what is value here.

I think I like Rice a tad more than you... I think he could be similar to rookie Gabe... the 4th receiver who knows all 3 spots and if any of the main guys missed time could step in and perform capably. But I agree he wouldn't start OVER Gabe and I still think the drop off from Addison to him is worth passing on linebackers and guards.

Well I wouldn't have drafted Benton before the 4th. But is the drop off from Addison to Rice worth passing on linebackers and guards? Yes.

Before my time. 2015 is kinda my low water mark. 2013 wasn't great at the top (might have had zero "can't miss" guys at the time) but that was a good draft from like 25-100. It just had no QBs and no star names. 2015 was a bad class. At the time people didn't think that way because it had two highly touted QBs at the top. But neither Winston nor Mariota ended up hitting and after that it was very weak.

Yea probably 6 or 7 can't miss types is average. 5 to kinda 10 max.

Jalen Carter (so long as you have assured yourself on the chatacter question) and Will Anderson. They are the only two I'd call "can't miss". I think Paris Johnson, Devin Witherspoon, Christian Gonzalez and Joey Porter Jnr are the next tier of guys with elite potential and few holes. Everyone else has at least one key question to answer IMO.

The idea of the Jags playing multiple games in London in a year has been mooted before. It wouldn't shock me. And it wouldn't shock me if the NFL ballses this up by having a "road team" who have been in the country two weeks play a "home team" who have been there for 48 hours.

The bad news then is that Brexit has made everything worse.

If this is the case my guess is the Jags play in London consecutive weeks. If that is the case they should play the "road" game @ Bills in Tottenham first. To give them the home game at Wembley first and then allow an already acclimatised team to be the "road team" the next week against a "home team" that has flown in just for the game would be a ridiculous way to reverse home advantage.

Not sure it was worse than the hold but it was egregious no doubt. Although I will say it was probably all defeated by Rex's absolute coaching ineptitude. How did that man get a second season?

Yea Moseley isn't a guy you want as your #1 outside, Sutton is best as a nickel and G-J is a safety. The only way they don't go corner is if they go Jalen Carter.

I still have nightmares of the massive uncalled hold on Jerry Hughes on the Jags' game winning touchdown. He only strangled him with one arm in fairness and the NFL was desperate to sell the Jags as relevant. So no flag. Obvs.

In fairness they have a good looking white running back already. Maybe Taysom Hill can play corner too?

I think you might be confusing it with wide receiver.... which they did draft in the top 10 four times in five years in the 00s. Okudah is the only round 1 corner (let alone top 5) in the last 20 odd years. I can only find two second round corners too. That must be one of, if not the, lowest investment in corner in the NFL in that period draft wise.

Except you ended up with Taysom Hill. Bad luck.

Kincaid isn't a reach at #27. He is a dynamic pass catcher. He is a tight end by designation but he is really a big slot receiver who can attack the seams. Mayer is a reach at that spot to me. He is a decent all around tight end but he'd be coming in as Knox's backup and to run out there in two TE sets. Kincaid would be giving you a completely different look to the extent you might want to make 12 personnel your base. Diggs and Harty or Davis outside, Knox and Kincaid inside. Only run a slot receiver out there as a change up.

Yep good value, good pick.

So do I. Both are better penetrators.