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GunnerBill

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  1. I'd run up to the podium and Johnson, but if you don't like him... then the reality is there are enough similarly graded guys that standing pat works for me.
  2. 1. Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M 2. Andrew Vorhees*, IOL, USC 3. Christopher Smith, S, Georgia 4. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland 5. Emil Ekiyor, IOL, Alabama 6. Eli Ricks, CB, Alabama 7. Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State 8. Brandon Joseph, S, Notre Dame 9. Henry To'o To'o, LB, Alabama 10. Jaquelin Roy, DT, LSU
  3. Rush to the Colts - hell of a pick. He is a round 2 talent.
  4. Steelers, yes. Chicago? Meh. Their first 3 picks were all overdrafted.
  5. Trey is a bit lower on my board.... think he is 19th BPA at this point if I've totted up right.
  6. Top 10 at this stage: 1. Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M 2. Darius Rush, CB, South Carolina 3. Andrew Vorhees*, IOL, USC 4. Christopher Smith, S, Georgia 5. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland 6. Emil Ekiyor, IOL, Alabama 7. Eli Ricks, CB, Alabama 8. Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State 9. Brandon Joseph, S, Notre Dame 10. Henry To'o To'o, LB, Alabama
  7. I didn't understand a word of the announcement.
  8. Anyone got a clue what that was for the Cowboys pick?
  9. By my board Jose Ramirez and KJ Henry, but it is an emptied out board.
  10. Unless it is in an eating contest I think the chances are slim.
  11. If there is one thing I am grateful for it is that we did not draft Dawand Jones. Bust. Bust. Bust.
  12. No he didn't. He said they didn't have a 1st on "all of them".
  13. Yep. They are. There are players who go on the backboard who if your front board is wiped out you'd consider. But there are players who are totally off the board too.
  14. Great pick Falcons. They have had a very good day 2 and 3
  15. Trades all over the place already Will update my BPAs every 10 or 12 picks
  16. RAS. But the tape tells a different story.
  17. I agree on Phillips. I would have taken Johnson or Phillips there because they are sticking out on my board. I had Wilson just about Williams too (although I like him less than you). If they don't think Williams can play MLB (and Beane says they don't) then I don't think it had to be the choice. That was my point on strategy. I get that they have a need at LB. Had they gone one of the two guys who could potentially plug it in round 2 I'd have been more content than going someone who by their own admission can't in the 3rd.
  18. Thanks. Always appreciate insight from fans of teams because you will have seen him more than I have. I still think there is a high ceiling there. But I agree just on the ND tape there are some questions. I think the scheme exposed him as well though.
  19. According to Beane Williams is not in play for Mike. An additional option - Milano plays the Mike and Williams plays Will?
  20. Yep. Apols. Ended up watching at my partner's where I didn't have my usual setup. All good just a bit life in the way yesterday
  21. First of all, apologies to those who missed me in the live draft thread last night. Was a bit of a case of life getting in the way yesterday and I ended up watching day 2 at my partner's without access to my full board and the setup I have at home for tracking the picks, updating this place and watching what's going on. Normal service will be resumed on day 3 - although appreciate from a Bills perspective that might not be a very busy day! So let's get down to what happened on day 2! The Bills Picks... First things first the Bills, having traded up at the cost of their 4th rounder on day one, stood pat and executed their original picks in both spots. In the second round they snagged O'Cyrus Torrence the huge guard out of Florida. He was my 36th overall player, and at the point he was selected he was 6th best available by my board and the second best available offensive player behind Tennessee wide receiver Jalin Hyatt. In fact those two were kind of our on their own on the offensive side for me as by the time the Bills went on the clock the 2nd round offensive talent was all but hollowed out. So in principle, talent and value at #59, there is much to like about this pick. Torrence is a beast in the run game, and he didn't allow a single sack in college. He also (as was touched on in Beane's presser) has experience blocking for an athletic Quarterback who likes to extend plays in Anthony Richardson (and who in my write up on Richardson I made the point does not scramble in a way that makes it easy on his guys because he is so unpredictable). I think that experience will assist him in transitioning to the Bills. He was my second rated guard overall (behind Skoronski) and my third overall interior offensive lineman. He can start and be good as a rookie and on an offensive line that has had its struggles inside over the past few years McGovern, Morse, Bates, Boettger, Edwards and Torrence suddenly looks like a strength of the roster going into camp. I'd expect McGovern and Torrence to emerge as the starting guards. The main question mark for me is scheme fit. It was when he was talked about as a round 1 fit for us and it remains here. I am a bit fed up of the Bills flip flopping on what they want on the offensive line. Part of their struggle up front has been they have never picked an identity, stuck to it and then drafted to that profile. Torrence is a kind of higher ceiling version of Quinten Spain who the Bills got one very good year out of earlier in their build, but they have moved towards high RAS athletic linemen since that point. That isn't Torrence. He wants to go forward and back rather than side to side. There is nothing wrong with that but working out how he fits with the rest of the build is the challenge. The one thing that reassures me is the Bills had Torrence in, Aaron Kromer worked him out and he has presumably signed off on this pick. I still think despite the struggles last year that Kromer can coach. If he thinks he can make this work I'm willing to trust him. The second minor concern with the pick is positional value. It's a guard with a premium pick. I'd have been tempted to go weapon again with Hyatt but I have said all draft season that in a weaker class I'm about targeting guys you really like a bit less than I am about positional value. Tight End and Guard would not normally float my boat... but we all knew they needed to upgrade Josh's weapons and his protection and to that end they are 2 for 2. Hard to complain too much about that. Onto round 3 where the Bills, for the second year running, snagged a linebacker. At least this year it was a guy I had heard of and evaluated. In terms of my grads Dorian Williams was a top 100 player and was the 20th best available by my board when selected. I had borderline 3rd/4th round grade on him, so value where selected I was fine with. There was a lot of talk about where the value of the board might be by this pick in the run up to the draft and personally I thought edge might be in play but my edge depth was wiped out by #91 and while there are a few guys knocking about I'd consider on day 3 my board is now very thin at the position. I have seen a lot of talk since the pick was made about Williams being the Tremaine Edmunds replacement though.... and I am not sure that is the player he is. To me he is more Milano than Edmunds. He possesses great speed, can run side to side and can cover as well as some safeties. But he isn't big by NFL linebacking standards and he doesn't play with the requisite power to be a difference maker at the point of contact coming downhill. Brandon Beane said last night that he agrees and they see Williams as an "outside guy" in year 1. Which I suppose did make me question what the answer for Tremaine's spot is. Conventional wisdom says that Bernard, Dodson and Klein battle it out. But if your rookie has to play outside day 1 could Matt Milano play inside? The Bills have done it before - noticeable with Lorenzo Alexander in that playoff game in Jacksonville - where suddenly an outside guy ran the defense. Alternatively could they play more base, let AJ Klein do the straight line stuff in a more old school mike linebacker role and let Williams and Milano roam and cover either side? Questions indeed. But basically I think Williams can be an impactful NFL player down the road as a modern, undersized linebacker that Sean McDermott has had success with over the years. So both of the picks in isolation I see the reasoning and I don't dislike either. I do, however, wonder strategically whether I'd have played it the other way. Had I been in the live thread last night when we went on the clock in round 2 I'd have had good money on Trenton Simpson or Drew Sanders being the pick. I don't think any of us foresaw both of those players making it to #59. Indeed, I did a mock on one of the simulators the other day where Simpson and Campbell both fell and I ignored them as I felt two of the top three linebackers getting to #59 was unrealistic - shows what I know! I am not doubting that Torrence was right up there on the Bills board when they selected him. Like I said above he was right up there on mine too, but I suspect the linebackers were there somewhere too. But I wonder if they looked at it and said "hang on, Simpson, Sanders, Henley and Williams are all still there" (Henry To'o To'o is too, though not sure they Bills have shown even a passing interest in him) and felt like they could wait on linebacker until round 3, whereas in terms of offensive line Bergeron, Avila, Schmitz, Tippman and Mauch had all gone off the board and the remaining depth was thinner. In hindsight I'd have preferred Simpson or Sanders and then Chandler Zavala (who is still there) at the end of the 3rd I think, because you'd have had your starter at linebacker alongside Milano but I get it hindsight is 20/20 and again, I find it hard to be too critical of an approach that has focused on Josh and the offense. That has been long overdue. How we approach day 3 will be fascinating. Not sure there is a single position they "have to have" at this point so they can follow the board. But dline, safety and another receiver are where I'll be keeping an eye. Beane said last night receiver and corner is where the remaining depth looks best. My board is pretty similar if I expand corner out to defensive back to include safeties (on which more below). What about the other 31... I suppose I should start where the second round started with the Steelers and the fairytale with Joey Porter Jnr. Not only is that a great story but they got a genuine top 15 player in this class at the start of round 2. Exceptional value. I am not, as readers of my thoughts this spring will know, the biggest fan of their next two picks - Keeanu Benton at defensive tackle in the 2nd and Darnell Washington at tight end in the 3rd - but they both 'feel' like Steelers to me. Wouldn't be surprised if both were successful in Pittsburgh. The team I though had a slam dunk of a night was Joe Schoen and the New York Football Giants. John Michael Schmitz is a plug and play 8 year starter. An older prospect who will be a leader on that offensive line day 1. Jon Feliciano was their starting center last season and is now in San Francisco. This is a huge upgrade. And then they swung a trade to move up in round 3 and snag Jalin Hyatt who was a top 25 player on my board. They will ultimately have to find a way to upgrade at Quarterback but so far the Schoen - Daboll era in New Jersey has been extremely impressive. A word for the Bengals too. Their defensive backfield lost three starters in Von Bell, Jesse Bates and Eli Apple this spring. DJ Turner might be more of a nickel corner but has some outside ability and was good value at the end of round 2 and then Jordan Battle probably starts as a rookie at strong safety. A couple of teams who left me scratching my head on day 2 - I know some people here love Jonathan Mingo, but I don't. The Panthers reached on him and then reached again with DJ Johnson in round 3, a former tight end turned edge rusher who will turn 25 early in his rookie season. The Packers took two tight ends (your guess is as good as mine) and a small, not particularly explosive, slot receiver in Jayden Reed who to my eye has the talent of a day 3 pick. There used to be a time when the Packers were good at drafting. Can anyone remember that far back? I'd also throw the Chiefs in the list of teams who I don't think have had the best draft so far. It felt a bit like they got a consolation prize in Anudike-Uzomah at the end of the first (though I like the player) they traded up in round 2 for Rashee Rice, who had a poor draft season despite solid tape at SMU but doesn't strike me as their "type" of receiver and then their desperation at tackle showed at the end of round 3 when they jumped up again for Wanya Morris. I confess Morris isn't a guy I watched a lot of and he does feel like a high risk but high reward selection. Their tackle situation would remain a serious concern for me heading into the season if I were a Chiefs fan. My other overall conclusion on day 2 was the general consensus lasted longer than I expected. By the end of the second round only one player not on my board had gone (Brenton Strange) and he was a "didn't have time to get to" rather than a guy I watched and dismissed (sidenote - 9 tight ends in the first 101 picks - wow). In round 3 there were 10 guys I hadn't got on the board - but four of those were the last four comp picks of the round. So actually despite the relative weakness of this draft the consensus over who the top 100 or so guys are has held pretty well. Which brings me to... What's left? I have 46 players left on my board heading into day 3... and by that the best 15 remaining are: 1. Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M 2. Clark Phillips III, CB, Utah 3. Darius Rush, CB, South Carolina 4. Andrew Vorhees*, IOL, USC 5. Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia 6. Adetomiwa Adebawore, DT, Northwestern 7. Christopher Smith, S, Georgia 8. Chandler Zavala, IOL, North Carolina Stata 9. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland 10. Emil Ekiyor, IOL, Alabama 11. Eli Ricks, CB, Alabama 12. Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State 13. Brandon Joseph, S, Notre Dame 14. Henry To'o To'o, LB, Alabama 15. Jaquelin Roy, DT, LSU As you can see offensive line and secondary heavy at this stage... there is a batch of receivers just outside that group too. Those are the spots where I expect early day 3 runs. Enjoy folks!
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