GunnerBill

Yea this is what I disagree with. I don't think either Hamler or Isabella have a serious chance at the 53. First because they have been quiet as hell in camp. Second because they were both PS players the entirity of last season. One here, one with the Colts. What would suddenly make either a hot commodity for a 53? Both are easy enough to slide onto your PS. MVS at this stage would still be a risk (though not a certainty) to end up on someone else's 53. I do think MVS is on the bubble. But to me he is on the bubble to them not keeping a 6th receiver or possibly to Claypool getting healthy and balling out in PS both at WR and on teams. I don't see either Hamler or Isabella as any kind of threat. And therefore I think most likely is they keep 6 and MVS and Shavers both make it.

Expendable for who though? That is kind of where I am. If this was a straight Shavers v MVS then I'd be absolutely it is Shavers because of teams. I don't think it is though. It is more like Shavers and MVS vs only keeping 5 receivers. Claypool was inconsistent the few days he was out there then got hurt. Shorter has been invisible. Hamler and Isabella likewise. Maybe they do keep only 5 but if they do that it will because they are confident sneaking other guys through to the PS.

Does sounds like MVS has rebounded a bit week two of camp and has been back with the ones more after finding himself marooned with the twos at the end of week one. So that does bear watching. I do generally agree with your point though. WRs 5 and 6 have to contribute on teams. MVS doesn't. Now my guess is Hollins will play a fair amount of teams even as essentially WR4. Whether that changes the calculation I'm not sure. My instinct at the moment is both MVS and Shavers make it as WRs 5 and 6 behind the top 4. Reason being I don't see anyone else they won't be able to PS if they want to. But pre-season games might alter that.

Okay, got you. It did change the formations because of the overload point though so I think it DID mean you had to "elect" for an onside kick. So while this may be a further tightening I think the surprise onside possibility went with the last set of changes.

Hasn't that been the case for a couple of years now since the last lot of changes?

You saw on earlier episodes their strategy was if Nabers or MHJ make it to #6 they are the pick. If they were both gone they were willing to pick Odunze but preferred to trade out.

Yes I think that is the basis of the speculation but Im not sure everyone else in that list did too.

He was worth a 6th round flier though based on his tools. Not like someone spent a 1st round pick on him.

Josh wasn't ready so they didn't want to put him out there, but he was still noticeably the best of the 3.

I can't. Goff never got enough credit for his part in the early success the Rams had with McVay. All that "McVay reads the defense for him" stuff was the biggest load of garbage I have ever heard. McVay is a top OC, no question, and that helps a QB but the level of disrespect and ridicule Goff got was crazy and I'm glad he has proved in Detroit that he is a good Quarterback. I think the thing that maybe he doesn't have that leads to him being underrated is he seems to lack the general Quarterback arrogance. And maybe that does hold him back some. He just seems a bit low key. It worked out for the Rams moving on... they won their Superbowl (though had Goff played the Bengals and not Belichick in the first McVay Superbowl my guess is they win that one too). But the Lions did great in that deal too.

He has fumbled at least twice that I have seen reported. Brady was asked yesterday "apart from the fumbles..." and he started his answer with "yea but the fumbles are big he has to look after the ball." Fair to say I think they are drumming that home already.

Aaron Williams.

It is. And I am not saying Milton will start. But I just don't think the Peterman - Allen analogy works here. The Bills were adament Josh wasn't in a competition.... but to the extent he was he won it hands down

We don't know that is what it means. The coding is speculation. I am persuaded on red and blue. Not persuaded on his guesses for pink, purple and grey.

Charles Woodson. Devin McCourty. Malcolm Jenkins. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. Aaron Williams. New Bill Kareem Jackson. Actually in just 20 seconds thinking about it there are six who went from corner to be good safeties (with a couple of elite guys in there). I am not arguing for it with Rasul to be clear. But I don't think Fangio is right when he says the number is very small.

He didn't outplay Allen in camp though. Allen was the best QB in that camp as a rookie. They just didn't want to start him week 1. They tried the Peterman thing just to avoid that. It was never working.

Milton was always a swing for the fences. If someone can tame him and control him he could hit big.

I've heard from someone who has been there that he has looked way more focussed than both 2022 and 2023 training camps and he is locked in. That is encouraging but it is still camp. If Josh could have his best season as a Bill that would help us significantly.

He started a couple of games at center for Dallas as a rookie and I think has done it in spot duty after that too when their centre missed snaps nicked up. He has mainly been a guard in the NFL, that is true. He hasn't played consistently as a center since he was a freshman in college, but it is not a brand new position to him.

Yea my point was I think red and blue are definitely right. I'm less persuaded that he has got the other tags right.

Don't be silly that is not what is going on. I was very clear I don't think it was completable even if Keon caught it first time. The ball was already beyond the sideline to my eyes. My only criticism is on the Bills social media team in that it an out of bounds catch makes it to a highlights clip up. Which is dumb.

Red is definitely injury flag. Blue for a leader / captain type makes sense to me too. Not sure about pink and purple.

As is said above, Kincaid doesn't fumble the Bills have a chance to win that game. I am not disputing that the Bengals are a bad matchup for us. But the playoff game was still an anomoly. Both can be true and both are true. The Bills never turned up for that game. In 44 games playoff and regular season it is the one time a team has beaten us out of sight. And it is because the Bills never played. They were flat from the kick off. The body language and the lack of energy from the players was noticeable. That game is not like the others. The Bengals may still have beaten us had we come out to play. But it was basically a walkover.

I think he is already out even if he catches it cleanly. It isn't close. Odd play to clip up for a highlight.

But in the other two meetings the Bills have moved the ball too. In the Damar game we went right down the field too and Beasley dropped a ball in the endzone. Then last season that was a competititve game back and forth. Are the Bengals a touch match up for us? Yes. But was that game more about the Bills just not showing up? Yes.