GunnerBill

No I asked where we had discussed your analysis of what has lead to the underperformance of the offense. That is not in this thread.

All ready open: Panthers Chargers Raiders All but certain to make a Black Monday move: Patriots Commanders Other spots to watch: Falcons (Arthur Smith) Seahawks (Pete Carroll - retirement) That would be seven openings again. The league can't sustain this level of coaching turnover. The talent pipeline isn't capable of re-stocking at this speed.

None of those were big coaching errors.

I don't consider the kneel down a game blowing mistake. 12 men was. 13 seconds was. I can't come up with too many others over 7 years.

I would play for the 2 seed. I think Steelers home and Chiefs home is the best possible route.

Yea there are teams who in that scenario would worry about draft picks. But it just isn't who Vrabel is and even if his owner or GM told him to he'd tell them to go ***** themselves. If we win tonight the route of Pittsburgh and KC both in Buffalo is about the best it could be IMO. Despite the Mahomes factor.

Yes, I would. I'd say guys you are in the dance, the pressure is lifted, now go make a damn statement that says the road goes through Buffalo.

I am not superstitious as a rule but I moved positions at half time and I went back and sat where I was first half for that final Jags drive. I think someone told Trevor.

6 of 7 years. I know, I know, when you have a unicorn at QB you set your sights higher. But the only team who can match or beat that record is the Chiefs.

Told you the Titans would play hard. I didn't expect them to win. And but for the Jags shooting themselves in the foot they wouldn't have won. But I knew they'd play full gas. It is just who Vrabel is.

I think there is a coaching element to it, and I am happy to have that conversation but just saying "coaching" isn't an answer to anything.

So you think it is coaching? What precisely? Play calling? Scheme? What? I am struggling to see where you are going with it.

I don't think we have been through it. Why do you think the offense is underperforming?

So why do you think it is underperforming?

I think the offense has underperformed. No question. The fact the Bills made an OC change is further demonstration of that. Bad playcalling. Drops. Turnovers. And some inconsistent Quarterbacking. It is all in the mix as to the reason why. There is no one single reason.

I am not sure it is preparing to cope in this instance so much as it is playing the odds and saying if you can't beat a weakened Miami what are the chances you beat a stronger version next week? And then genuinely that few spots in the draft order might be the difference between being in position for that playmaking receiver we all think we need or not. Again, I'd rather be in and say even if the odds are against us take our shot. But I don't agree that the alternative reasoning is stupid. I see where those people are coming from.

Achane is a big play threat (although Mostert is too in fairness) but I also think if you play with proper discipline and leverage he is the easier guy to stop. Mostert is one of those guys who gets 5 when there is 3 yards there courtesy of blocking.

I thought Armstead was playing albeit possibly dinged up?

I agree but I do sorta see the logic. If the Bills can't beat Miami tonight with Waddle and Mostart sitting how are they beating them in Miami next week with both of them back? I know any given Sunday and all but feels like that stage they would be a bit wing and a prayer. I'd still rather be in than not. But I understand the thinking that if we can't win tonight it is better to try and pick 19th or 20th in the draft than 22nd or 23rd. Especially with where that second tier of receivers (after Harrison who is alone in tier 1) - Nabers, Odunze, Coleman - might come off the board. I know there are some people who don't even want to think draft yet, and that is fine. But it is the time of year when my mind turns to it regardless of whether the Bills are in or out.

Yea I think they will care. I just think they are bad. I expect a close first half and Jacksonville pull away just enough in the second. 26-16 something like that.

I don't see Mike Vrabel coaching like that. I think Jacksonville will win. But I don't think it will be any lack of effort on TEN's part. They will give them everything they have. They just are not very good.

No they are not. But they are an 11 win team going into week 18. So the Bills would have to have been a 13 win team going into week 18 with the potential to be a 14 win team for there to be no possibility the division is in play today. And I have already explained why I don't look at this roster and see a 14 win team this year.

Still disagree. It is not good that we haven't clinched the playoffs by now. But the reason the division is still in play today is that Miami has been good.

Sounds like most Sundays on TSW. Win or lose.

I agree to an extent on Nico. Tank can play though. To me he can do everything Zay Flowers can do and was a 3rd round pick not a first rounder.