GunnerBill

I don't see Morris as irreplaceable. It isn't about Morris. It is about Murray. I'd rather Jordan Mims from Fresno State get those reps.

Murray will play for multiple teams in 2023. Whether one of them is the Bills is kind of neither here nor there IMO. I just think in the overall roster makeup it makes very little sense. I'd hate it personally and I have been a Latavius Murray fan throughout his career. He won me 2 fantasy championships as a Raider.

I encourage you to actually watch the tape. Because this just isn't true.

I never called Knox a premium receiver. He isn't. He is a very good tight end who is underused as a receiver. Kincaid says more about what they think about Gabe Davis than it does about Dawson Knox.

Because you are still taking the drafting of Kincaid as saying something about Knox. It doesn't. And if Knox lacks savvy you will need to explain the top 5 separation rate as per Next Gen stats. He isn't a high level route runner, but he is a very savvy zone sitter.

Kincaid and Knox are not here to play the same position. Per Brandon Beane - Knox will play the Y as he always has. Kincaid will play the F. You are just wrong on Dawson Knox. And McDermott basically said as much about Dorsey's lack of use of Knox during the season. McDermott wasn't seeing him in practice and thinking "don't throw his way." He was seeing him and saying "Ken why are you not getting him the ball more?"

Yep, good description I agree with that.

And McDermott and Beane were CLEARLY frustrated that he was underused. The number of weeks where he got 2 targets in the first 15 plays (indicative of a HC insisting) and then they forgot about him. They did work it out some down the stretch in fairness.

"Big Slot" is a position. It isn't a size comparison.

Knox is not a big slot. He is a traditional tight end. That isn't a size thing. It is a skillset thing. Hock and Knox are different players to Kelce and Andrews, not just talent level but style and skillset. Hock and Knox are very similar. The difference is Hock gets throw to and Knox doesn't, except in the redzone.... and in the redzone over the past two years Knox outperforms Hock.

He is capable of being a 3 down player. Is he capable of being a 3 down MLB? That is a slightly different question.

He isn't Kelce or Andrews, agreed. And he is not a big slot. Nor does he pretend to be. I disagree that he lacks savvy and while I wouldn't call his hands elite, they are much improved and in the clutch last year his hands were good.

But he does consistently get open. He isn't a big slot.... he isn't Andrews or Kelce... he doesn't have that sort of receiving skill, which Kincaid has the potential to be, but Knox could be as productive as TJ Hockenson. I don't think there is anything Hock has that Knox doesn't. Their skillsets are very similar.

But he does. The reason Beane trade up to take Kincaid is he wanted an additonal weapon. Given Gabe is almost certainly not back after this year and Diggs's age that was a necessity anyway. He hasn't been brough in to play Knox's position. Kincaid is a better route runner and has better hands than Knox, no dispute there. But he isn't really a tight end. Knox is very good. He is held back by the coaching and scheme.

I don't agree. Knox is open 'cos he is good. Teams DO plan against him in the redzone and he still produces. The reason he doesn't produce elsewhere is on Dorsey and Allen. Nobody else.

Ha, maybe. I still think the Bills will win the game. But I think the Jags will be our toughest home assignment given the circumstances.

I don't think all second round picks are potential stars. Rounds 2 and 3 are generally where you get a real mix between high floor, low ceiling, and low floor, high ceiling. I think Torrence is in that first camp. I can see him going to a few pro bowls, he might sneak an all pro somewhere along the line but he isn't going to be a perennial all pro type.

Agree. If Watson can be pre-scandal Watson the Browns are a playoff team. If he can't they are a below .500 team and Stefanski is done (and the GM too in all likelihood).

And I basically have it the same save Murray cut and Morris in. I just think if you are going to run some 12 as your base being one injury away from having to ditch a whole chunk of your playbook necessitates an additonal tight end and personally I just don't see losing Murray as something to fear. I think he is mainly here as insurance against Harris's hamstrings not making it through camp. I know they have kept 4 backs previously but that included a guy who they didn't ever use as a back. Unless that is the way they seen Hines (and if so he is waaay overpaid) I think they will end up with 3 backs, Murray on the PS and if someone picks him up for a few weeks to cover an injury so be it.

I think actually 36 catches, 570 yards and 3 TDs which is what Harty managed in his last healthy season is kinda in the range of what the Bills are paying for, especially when you factor in circa 900 return yards that year too (whether he is in the mix as a returner for the Bills TBC). It is right there with the Kendrick Bourne, Mercole Hardman, Parris Campbell valuations for similar production levels. For a 2nd contract #3 receiver with inside / outside flex who you want to get deep that is pretty much the market rate. If he is sub 500 yards and 3 touchdowns I think we can call it a miss. If he ends up above 650 and 4 touchdowns it is a hit. In between those ranges is par.

While I also find it improbable that they only improve one game if it were the Bills I know you would be saying "but look at the QBs they played last year!" They would need pretty good luck to be playing the Brett Rypien's and Skylar Thompson's of the world again in 2023. So while I think their offensive numbers are certain to improve, the likelihood is that there is a bit of a defensive regression. I still expect the Jets to have a top 10 defense and they are very good in the secondary - but I am not sure they will be at 18.6 points per game again this season, given that the entire AFE has a tougher looking schedule. The interesting thing for me with the Jets is their schedule is the opposite of the Bills. It is front loaded. Down the stretch I could imagine them winning their final 7 straight... but they could be 2-6 or 3-5 through their first 8 games. The big question is how would they deal with that? Would Rodgers mentally check out as we know he is prone to? Can Saleh keep the show on the road with the sword of damocles hanging over him? Who are the vet leaders who will bring the locker room together? If ther is a route to the Jets failing to meet expectation that is it.

He is fluid. That is the word.

The toughest "home" game is London against a team that has been in the timezone 10 days. We did get some scheduling breaks on the back end though in terms of rest before some of those bigger games. A bye before KC, 10 days before Cincy. Given we knew who the Bills were playing and it looked a tought slate, the way the schedule worked out is pretty darn sweet.

Clowney was really good for them in 2021. 2022 was less good. Smith is an upgrade.

Orlando Brown is good and he is definitely better than Jonah Williams. So if Burrow has survived that I think he is pretty indestructable.