GunnerBill

I am not sure I think there was media bias, but there was definitely media groupthink - and that happens basically every year with MVP. By December there is a consensus who it should be and then everyone votes accordingly. I take the point on Lamar's stats aren't amazing - certainly as a passer 24 touchdowns doesn't feel like it should ever be an MVP - but there wasn't a single Quarterback who really dominated this year. If there had have been the media might have moved off their modus operandi but in the absence of it they stuck to what they usually do - the Quarterback of the #1 seed. I'm not saying that is right, I said before I'd have voted for Hill or CMC - because it shouldn't just be a Quarterback award and I think more than ever this year actually was the year of the playmaker so in the absence of a dominant QB I'd have stumped for one of those two. But Lamar winning it is kinda par for the course even if I agree with your point that he didn't, on the face of it, have the sort of year that justifies 49 of 50 votes.

No you are missing what he is saying. He isn't saying the record makes Lamar in a literal sense the most valuable player. He is saying the reality of the MVP award is it invariably goes to the Quarterback of one of the #1 seeds. And this season the two #1 seeds played towards the end of the year and it was clear who the better Quarterback was. I don't think @FireChans is saying that is right or wrong just that it is the reality.

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The bigger whiff there is post Senior Bowl there is zero point zero chance that JPJ makes it to 60. He is going round 1 IMO. I think he is a bigger first round lock than Franklin tbh.

I don't think Lamar was a very deserving MVP. I have said all along that in the absence of a QB walking away with it (and definitely none did this year) I'd have voted for non-QBs this time. Hill and CMC. But the Quarterback of the #1 seed is pretty par for the course in the way the voting for this award goes.

So Kenneth Walker, yep. Agree. Beast. Breece Hall, meh. I wouldn't swap them, but nor would I if I were a Jets fan. They are 6 and two 3s. Montgomery - no. His success was scheme. Gibbs, sure. He is very talented. Kamara, I have loved, he is one of the few guys I'd have paid a second contract - but as a rusher he has declined big style. Less than 4 ypc over the last 3 years and off field issues. I'd pass at this point. Josh Jacobs - mainly a volume guy. Again his ypc is not great. Pacheco - good back but I wouldn't swap. Barkley - yea when he is healthy and his line gives him at least some blocking he is a stud.

He wasn't the lead back for most of the year. I don't think we win the Cowboys game running Singletary the number of times we ran Cook. He just plain and simple isn't as good.

Nah it isn't zero. And I am someone who doesn't think RBs matter.

That certainly doesn't contradict what I was told. My source said Allen and Diggs have fallen out about the offense (which could well be the execution of it) and it was never a Diggs / McDermott issue. As I said earlier I wad told there were times late in 2022 when they were barely on speaking terms. And btw I said this last offseason when the popular narrative wad he had enough of coaching. That was not what I was told and your source seems to back that up.

Over the last decade - CMC, Kamara, Henry and I'd have extended Taylor too. That is it. 4.

Yea but how many elite backs are there now? Very, very few. Because in the days of OJ and even Thurm the best athletes played running back. Now they are playing Quarterback and Wide Receiver. CMC is literally the only back in the NFL this year who I think has impacted the eventual W-L of his team. And Cook isn't CMC, obviously. But the list of other guys I'd take isn't massive.

I agreed with your initial post. All I have done since is respond to people who have taken umbridge with my view on Von.

Sorry Cook is a clear tier up from Singletary. Is he elite? No. But he is a clear #1 back and Singletary isn't.

The people who don't think Cook is a 1 pretty much all fall into this camp. When they say "Cook isn't a #1 back" they mean "Cook doesn't meet my stylistic preference."

Still got to drill technique. Still got to work with the QB on reads and progressions. Still got to be an extra pair of eyes on the ipad between series breaking down what they are seeing.

Yea Tre wasn't close to his best. But he could move around, he wasn't a total liability on the field. That is the distinction. Von was replacement player level.

Yea I am in the same place with Jenkins. Love him. Think he is probably best suited to a 5T in a 3-4

That is fair. The Bills have not had enough elite players.

They are concentration drops though. His hands are pretty good. The number of time Josh checked down to him this year and he held the ball despite getting levelled as he caught it was considerable. It is just concentration especially in the redzone.

Agree. He isn't an elite between tackles runner but he is plenty good enough and taking him off the field for a downhill guy makes our offense more predictable not less

Thomas was the perfect guy for us two years ago to pair with still prime Stefon Diggs. I don't think he is perfect for where we are now, though I'd still take it pretty happily if he is who we end up with!

I disagree. His yards after contact were the same as Derrick Henry's this year. He is absolutely fine between the tackles.

The voting is done at the same time as all pro voting I believe and then they just hold the MVP announcement for their silly over the top honours thing.

I think he absolutely fine getting hit. He is better at inside than many, many bigger backs.

It really is that simple. Spotrac and OverTheCap both agree. The numbers are clear as day on there. The reason they are all saying the out year is 2025 is because in 2025 you can cut him and not leave a single year's dad cap hit above $10m. Which is right that is what you would normally consider the out point. But that is before you factor in his total no show performance wise in 2024.