GunnerBill

If the only two options on 4th down were take a sack or heave to the endzone, sure. But with a split second more patience as Warner indicates he had a first down throw and he comes off it too quickly.

I think a 10 second run off would be sensible. I'm more in favour of that than the other solutions.

I said it in the Coaching thread on the main board.... but as three dominoes to fall within 24 hours..... Carroll, Saban, Belichick that is arguably the three most dominant coaches of this century - Pete college and NFL, Nick college and Bill NFL. End of an era in football coaching.

Carroll, Saban, Belichick all gone within 24 hours. It really is the end of an era.

I am 11 days into dry January. I do it every year but this year I was particularly focussed on it because I did worry that in the final months of 2023 I might have been pretty close to being dependant. The opening of a bottle of wine when I get home / finish work had become a core part of my own stress management. I have found it much easier than I thought, which in a sense is reassuring that I am not as close to dependency as I might have feared.... but also the fact that I don't really feel like a drink suggests that at the end of last year I was drinking through habit not because I particularly wanted a drink and that in itself isn't a great place to be. I don't have any intention of giving up longer term, but post January I am definitely going to try and put some better guard rails around when I do and don't drink the rest of the year. Because it an easily become a crutch.

It really only incentivises them to do that as a post snap penalty after a first down. Let's say Allen had been stopped 2 yards short on the run. Then the penalty Miami committed gives them no advantage. Because it gives the Bills a first down and what you really want there as the Fish is to stop the Bills and get the ball back. So the idea that the hold could have been intentional to stop the clock is really a non-starter. And if you commit a penalty after 2nd down or 3rd down to try and stop the clock you risk giving a fresh set of downs. So that isn't an incentive for the defense. So the only scenario in which a defense can "game" the system is to commit a post snap penalty right after a 1st down conversion.... which means a personal foul. And the refs know what the score is. They are looking out for it. And they are only calling a flag in that scenario for something egregious which probably equates to an ejection and possible suspension and big fine. I don't think many players are willing to take those punishments in order to stop the clock. So I don't think the system is creating incentives to "game" it. That is separate to could a team gain an advantage without trying to game the system (as the Dolphins arguably did)? Which obviously can happen. Whether it is sufficiently serious to create a rule change I don't know. The 4th Quarter timing rules are designed to help create close finishes. That is part of the NFL's objective.

Take the Quarterback. I think they were right to give Fields another run last year. But there is no progress as a passer from the pocket. Move him (you will get a mid round pick), draft Williams (as long as you are satisfied with the person).

Yea I am not surprised Nick Wrong doesn't know the rule. He barely knows his own name.

I don't know why it is the rule but the overall rationale of the 5 minute timing rules (out of bounds is the same the only time the clock stops on out of bounds is inside 2 minutes 1st half and inside 5 second) is to preserve time in the game to encourage close finishes.

Yea pre-snap penalties the clock will stop but the ref can start the play clock on ready for play rather than on the snap.

Nope. By rule the clock stops whether declined or accepted under 5 minutes. It actually shocks me so many regular NFL fans don't know this.

Because inside the final 5 minutes a penalty stops the clock whether enforced or declined.

The 9ers have to win it this year unless major injuries bite. It is all set up for them. They have one more year of the Purdy cheat code before they likely have to pay him. At which point their route gets a lot tougher.

I am not familiar with his work beyond the odd short that pops up on youtube. But I am familiar with Rodgers' bullsh*t.

It wouldn't be in the UK. If a court held that a reasonable person was like to interpret it way. But your defamation laws are much more laissez faire so maybe it would be over there. But even if it is legal it doesn't make it the right thing to do. Rodgers is a ####### though. I have always thought that about him, however great he was.

I mean he didn't say it. But he definitely inferred it.

I don't expect Leslie to get hired as a HC this cycle. If he is willing to be a DC again next year he will get a job at that level. But there are almost always guys less capable than Leslie hired as Head Coaches. Brandon Staley was one of them. Chargers gonna Charger.

He is under contract. So I think technically yes.

Where on one of Allen's ints did I argue the opposite. And secondly, I have not argued here that David played this perfectly. That has never been the crux of my argument. My argument it is was a mistake from Josh. He threw a ball up that in my mind he should have eaten. It was the first quarter of a football game. 3 points isn't a disaster. No need to guess on a throw. I don't need to persuade you. Josh Allen told you he was hurting the team.

In your mind, sure.

I'm not a big EPA guy either so I might be misinterpreting the chart haha.

This chart is interesting.... if I am reading it right it says the Bills EPA is pretty good and that Josh produces strongly against it. The second half of that is not particularly a surprise, cos Josh is incredible. I am surprises that the Bills offense has the third highest EPA though. No surprised that the 49ers is the best, they have Kyle Shanahan but it suggests the Bills overall offensive efficiency has been better that one might imagine.

Yes, but again, not relevant to the conversation I was having.

I think Flo was harshly treated in Miami, but I don't know if I'd have him on the same tier as those other guys.

I think they were hoping for a mutual parting of the ways type deal like Coughlin in New York or Payton in New Orleans. Bill has dug his heels in and said "nope, if you don't want me you can fire me, I have a contract and I am staying." Now faced with actually firing him I suspect the Krafts are suffering from sweaty palms... among other things.