GunnerBill

Nice rep Sanders and Bernard.

Bosa is half assing today

Dragging a safety with him. Where are all the "he isn't tough" guys.

For sure. There was some terrible tackling on that drive. But the playcalling wasn't great either.

That is another play where Cook gets 5 or 6 yards when 90% of the backs in football are stopped for no gain. His ability to stop his feet, keep his balance and change direction is ELITE

I don't love the idea of McD calling the D again but they have to do something. Babich is over his head.

That is really poor defense. Tackling was atrocious.

Cam has to do a better job in the open field there. The Bills collapsed the pocket pretty well.

Nice play Walker

Bills running some of those man beater crossers early. And to be fair to our receivers they seem to get some separation on those.

Vintage Khalil Shakir.

Well all those wanting play action on 2nd down will be pleased..... still nobody got open down the field.

Vandy as expected at RT

Let's gooooo Buffaaaaallllllooooooo!

After 17 games - sure. But in smaller samples like 3 games the opposition can skew. I think the Ravens game makes the run D look worse than it is (it's average to just below average). By the same token the Jets games makes the third down D look better than it is (it is actually legit terrible).

He is talking about 2019. There is no disgareement from anyone (including Brandon Beane btw) that what they gave Allen around him in 2018 was putrid.

I think to be fair to them they fixed things up pretty well in 2019. They admitted how bad they screwed up 2018 and they invested in protection and a couple of credible pass catchers and a proper QB coach and had a vet in the room. But 2018 was mistake after mistake, they got away with it.

Sean Payton was once one of the most cutting edge play designers and play callers in football but this tells you two things: 1. It's easier to look like an innovator when your QB is a HOF talent; and 2. Eventually the league passes everyone by. No matter how good you have been. To be running just 26% motion in 2025 is unforgiveable.

Did Denver hire Ken Dorsey? 😂

Honestly I think the Rex era was worse. Cos the team was talented under Rex. And we STILL sucked. The Chan team the talent sucked.

So sure, 3 DBs in round 1 in 9 drafts including the one McDermott ran. But only 1 more DB in the first two days. Defensive line it is 2 first round picks and SIX day two picks. The priority of this regime in the draft has unquestionably been defensive line. 8 premium picks vs 4.

In Allen's rookie year in 2018 it is beyond a question of a doubt that they made a total mess of every element of the process. 1. Lack of a proper vet in the room until mid-season; 2. Thinking Peterman was a legitimate bridge that Allen would gain anything learning behind (he couldn't even stay on the field more than a half); 3. An offensive talent collection that the GM himself at the end of the season admitted was "horrible". Including the worst offensive line in the league with Vlad Ducasse and Ryan Groy as a starters and wide receivers that were a rookie UDFA and a career journeyman in Deonte Thompson.

And they drafted pretty well with the picks they did have. Even guys who they didn't extend like Jordan Fuller and David Long and Ernest Jones and David Edwards were day 3 picks who were average to above average starters on tiny rookie salaries that enabled them to fit the stars in around. And then that 2023 class.... Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Puka Nakua, Steve Avila.... that was one of those classes a bit like Cook, Bernard, Shakir, Benford for the Bills where you just find four long term starters in a single class and Turner and Nakua especially are difference makers for them.

When I see Tua speak I find it easier to believe how you as a franchise end up tying yourself to him. He is a proper adult in the room, thoughtful, comes across as decisive and if you are around that all day I totally get how you end up going "this guy has the personality I want and he can play." The problem is while his personality might be an A his game is a B- and that is the ultimate limitation.

Would it? I dunno. There are Quarterbacks who learn from the bench, no question. But I think the one element of the Bills development of Josh where they (organisationally) deserve some element of the credit beyond just Josh being incredibly talented and incredibly driven to improve and succeed is that they exposed him to things. They were willing to keep calling pass plays and exposing Josh to different rushes and different coverages and the sort of high level opposing defensive scheming he just hadn't been exposed to in the Mountain West even at times when nothing was working. They never went to, right let's just run the ball and get out of dodge here. They prioritised giving Josh the opportunities to get better and he absolutely maximised them. I actually think not only was their original plan wrong because Peterman predictably sucked, I am not sure their original plan was the right plan for Josh Allen. If he'd sat in 2018 my strong suspicion is 2019 might have looked a fair bit like 2018 for Allen (possibly a little better but still up and down), and 2020 might have looked a fair bit like the first step forward that 2019 did. Then they'd have been going into 2021 (year four) not really knowing whether he was definitely the guy. In a sense they got slightly lucky that their original plan worked out so poorly they had to abandon it so quickly.