GunnerBill

That is a fair deal for both sides.

But he was sooo awful in Carolina last year.

He is not very good that's why. He is a speed and size guy who can't really play. I was not very high on him coming out. Thought the Jets taking him right at the start of the 2nd round was a reach.

Agree. Mystery to me. If the argument is "his injuries worry me" fine. But the argument "his performance isn't worth a big contract" I just don't get it. You mention the record without him last year but they were the number 1 seed just before he went out in 2021 as well. So it is two years in a row.

JK was a starting quality QB. Chad isn't. He might be good enough to have hung around as a backup, but he hasn't and that is because teams want their backups to be good, quiet, team guys who offer zero distractions. See Matt Barkley and Kyle Allen as classic examples.

Basically the relationship my partner and I have. Originally it was circumstance but we have been talking recently about whether we do actually want to live together permanently, and I think we are coming round to the idea that we don't need to. We probably spent like 5 nights out of 7 together, but we both really enjoy our own space.

I don't.

The only way I see Rodgers coming back for year 2 is like a heartbreaking AFC Title loss. I think he might then think "right one more push" if he wins another ring he is riding off into the sunset everyone is happy and if the end up a playoff team but not a contendor, or worse, he will jack it in and go meditate in the forest or whatever it is that he likes to do in planet Aaron Rodgers.

Bad division, good roster. Carr will win 2 division titles in the next 3 years with the Saints if he stays healthy. They are not going to win a Superbowl with him, but they will make the post-season. And the contract is 12th in AAV among QBs.... and I think Carr is the 12th or 13th best QB in football. It kinda seems fair to me. Now there is a point, that has been made multiple times that the QB market has a considerable inefficiency that it doesn't allow for a big enough gap payment wise between the elite and the good. But taking a bad journeyman QB and hoping to eek out some wins is a much worse strategy that accepting 3 years of Derek Carr when you are in a division that is there for the taking unless Bryce Young emerges as a superstar.

Jones was the biggest overpay on talent. But if Rodgers ends up costing the Jets $60m in dead money in retirement in 2024 then that is the worse deal unless he has at the very least got them to the Superbowl in 2023.

Rodgers because I genuinely think he will only play 1 year. If the Jets get to the Superbowl in that 1 year its value, but I am not sure they will and as such a one year splurge that will cause them huge pain in 2024.

That problem is his personality. To get a shot as a backup you need not to be a distraction.

I do but about once or twice a year and I have kind of run out of people to play with now cos of the couple of groups I used to go with pretty much everyone else is now committed and plays much more regularly than me. I find it less fun I'll be honest, when I am like 15-20 shots off the pace. I just don't have enough time to play as much as I'd like to in order to get to the level where I'd want to make time to play more. That said we went from work and played 9 holes one evening in May and I beat an Aussie guy in my team who takes it uber seriously and was bigging up how good he is in advance. That was pretty sweet.

I think Shanny is the best offensive coordinator (and I use that term for its actual meaning not in terms of the job role it is attached to on the org chart) and the best offensive mind in football but his playcalling has blown two Superbowls. In that Chiefs Superbowl they abandoned the run in the 4th quarter it was just odd. The Atlanta screw up has been done to death. That was every it as bad of a single coaching decision as 13 seconds.

The entire CK experience was odd, from start to finish. Second round pick that started 7 games in 3 seasons and was then released.... a true bust.

Damn that was mine. Okay, second choice: Cyrus Koundjio likes being *cough* at one with nature.

I think that is only for football (our football) and it was brought in at a time when there were real public order issues around games. I have paid over the odds on re-sale sites for concerts / comedy gigs etc. Agree with @BritBill StubHub is the one I'd trust. No but the Saturday actually looks decent. And Aaron Williams is on my list of potential future husbands so.....

The clarification is in the very next paragraph. I put the blame largely on protection breakdowns.

Because when I think about the cornerstones of the Vrabel team.... Lewan and Jones up front are gone, AJ Brown is gone, Tannehill is aged and they don't know what they have yet at QB, Derrick Henry has struggled to stay healthy more recently on on defense Kevin Byard will be 30 when the season opens. It isn't to say they can't compete for a playoff spot if they can get competent QB play but other than Simmons I don't think the guys who made that team really dangerous for a couple of years are still there or still at that level.

It definitely isn't that simple. Ed's cap hit this year is less than $5m - extending him actually freed up money this year rather than costing it. And beyond 2023 they had zero DTs under contract next season. So unless they were going to go with 4 rookies or vet minimum players at DT next year they kind of had to commit some money to that position, and that wasn't "free money" that could have gone to offense. It was really the money that had to go on the defensive tackle position not just for the benefit of 2023, but for the years beyond. The moves that it is more reasonable to suggest cost money that could have gone on offense were Leonard Floyd and Poona Ford. Floyd is a 1 year $7m deal while the cap hit is spread over 4 years and so it is only a $2.6m hit this year. Ford is 1 year $1.5m. That wouldn't have been enough to land DHop. On Ed Oliver the player, he has been consistently near the top of Seth Walder's double team tracker which suggests that teams do to some extent game plan to stop him. The Bills haven't had a lot of other guys who can penetrate inside (from DT or MLB given that Edmunds wasn't much of a blitzer) so he does tend to get a fair amount of focus.... but he was also a game wrecker in the middle of last season that Cleveland-Detroit run he played as big a part as anyone in winning us those games. He needs to stay healthy and he does need to produce more consistently but he is one of our best defenders. Even having said that though, there was a deal that I think was viable to trade Ed for DHop (not that I think the Bills ever countenanced it, but I might have) pre-FA and draft. It would have required them to spend some of that defensive tackle cash on a vet for more than a 1 year rental to enable them to afford to part with Ed but then they could also have prioritised drafting a young DT and trying to make a play to trade for Hopkins (and tinker with his contract to make it all fit). By the time DHop became a free agent the Bills were realistically out of the running IMO. The Ed Oliver extension at that point a) saved us money and b) was a move they really needed to make at the spot.

That wasn't really my point, but sure, the Bills could have used Hopkins.

Actually DHop with Watson made the playoffs each year they were both there (with the exception of Watson's rookie season where he tore his ACL after 4 games) and then in Arizona his one full season with Murray they were a playoff team. He didn't win a Superbowl, sure, but he helped those teams be better and win football games, for sure and I am not aware that he has ever been a malign influence in the locker room. I don't think he belongs lumped in with OBJ.

Do you mean Risner? Risner who sat out there still a FA until the end of June? You think he was one of the best IOL on the market? With you on Seumalo but for what the Bills are I'd take McGovern over Risner. Comfortably so.

So would I but that is the Chiefs #2 and #3 receiver compared to our #3, #4 and #5 receiver. I'd take Diggs and Gabe over any receiver the Chiefs have. Of course their best receiver is their tight end, so you can argue that it evens out but Dawson Knox was the Bills 3rd receiver last year (level with McKenzie in targets but ahead in receptions, yards and TDs) and the Bills have added Kincaid to the mix too. I think Toney and Moore are better bets than the three guys you list.... but they are still pretty big gambles and they are going into the season as starters. Not debating their line at all.... LG-RT they are really strong. Their left tackle is going to be their weakness but from Left Guard along I'd take their line over anyone else's.

I think he means they were at one point 7-3... which demonstrates that isn't a team without hope. But I think they are in a bit of a rebuild mode.