GunnerBill

Why would the Browns trade Hudson? He has been starting in Conklin's absence in pre-season. I know a few people are giddy about Dawand Jones against 2nd and 3rd teamers but Hudson remains clearly above him in the eyes of the Cleveland staff. They won't be giving him away.

I think they would privately admit now that they wish they'd done more in the spring at MLB..

I don't think the first half of your para above gets you to the second half. I agree McDermott is unlikely to be keen to bring someone else in at this stage and try and get them up to speed. But I do think they are seriously concerned. I don't think the competition has gone nearly as well as they were hoping. At this stage I am not sure there is a lot they can do, but I don't think that in any way suggests they are not extremely concerned.

Devin White? I mean he hasn't been as good the last couple of years but he was pretty good as a rookie and was a second team all pro his 2nd season. Devin Lloyd isn't undersized. Although he has been a disappointment. He is a guy a think I think would be a great reclamation project for the Bills.

1. If Doyle can stay healthy he is on the team. He has two games to get through healthy. That isn't a given. He is one more nick up from missing. 2. I think Kyle Allen was worse than the numbers last week. They flattered him. And McDermott who has been careful to avoid a QB2 competition thus far even when Barkley outplayed him in practice was about as critical as he ever gets publicly after the game and then said it was an open competition. If he plays that badly again this weekend I think he will play himself off the roster. And tbh, having seen him completely fail to execute the QB position last week I think the chances are high. 3. Yea Shorter has the benefit of the doubt.... but it is his teams play as much as anything that has me a little concerned for him. Your 6th receiver HAS to play special teams. And he hasn't established himself as a definite starter on that unit. What might save him is I don't necessarily think anyone behind him in queue has either. You mention Hodgins and Stevenson above... they both got the mysterious end of camp injury red shirt year. That is an option for them here too. I think Doyle and Shorter probably make it, but there is routes to them not. I think Kyle Allen will play himself off the team.

Because they bough Roquan in and moved Queen to the WILL. We are not talking about trading for him to play WILL. As an MLB he has struggled.

Big game for the 8-0 Bills.

I don't love Queen. He has struggled in the pros. But I am concerned enough I'd consider it for one of our three 6ths next year if that was enough to get him (which if Baltimore thinks he might be a cut could do it).

Yep. The only thing I'd say about Millwall is they are not the friendliest bunch and isnt the easiest place to get in and out of. But a decent standard. Depends a bit where you are staying. Are you near the Isle of Dogs?

Some of us can walk home 😁

I am sure you have seen but it has been moved to the Sunday 😔

Who? Probably? Probably??? He is by a MILE their best OL

Kromer's first stint here the Bills were a dominant run blocking offensive line. And it wasn't filled with superstar talent. John Miller, Jordan Mills were the right side combo. They did have some issues in pass pro but that was a well functioning offensive line.

Yep. When he is on the field he is elite. But this is an example of a guy who is legitimately injury prone.

Yes. But he has clearly never considered that weighs heavier than the benefits of playing them.

Armstead? Injured? Well knock me down with a feather.....

That still doesn't mean he has to agree with sitting them. I don't think he is denying that star players can get injured in pre-season just that in his head that risk has never outweighed the benefit of starting them. Personally I'd sit my Quarterback if I had a top level franchise guy. I'd want the rest of my starters to at least get out there for a quarter and get to game speed again. What they did week 1 is basically what I'd do for the first two pre-season games then I'd play nobody in week 3 and get a proper look at the guys I am looking at as practice squad players.

You'd have to be drunk to enjoy the Scottish Premiership. It kicks off a week earlier north of the border and I tried to sit through Rangers - Kilmarnock a couple of Sundays ago. In the end I decided to go out and get some fresh air and the standard between hungover fat blokes at the local park was comparable with what I'd watched from Scotland. I consider 5 pints of Guinness only slightly drunk @Jauronimo - I'm a pro.

I will be slightly drunk by the time this game kicks off UK time.... think it is about 11.30pm. But I'm in the pub from 5 for Spurs - United and City - Newcastle. Will try and watch until the starters come out but I might have to leave you guys to it second half haha

Yea and in general I agree with that. I do think I'd make an exception for centers where you have a young QB though. Especially this breed of QBs where the pendulum has swung back towards draft the high ceiling physical specimen rather than the "pro ready" cerebral guy. Sometimes paying a vet center in FA for the first 2/3 years to help that young QB with protections makes sense. The Chiefs won't be there with Humphrey though. They have diverted money from wide receiver to offensive line since the Buccs Superbowl defeat. But as Kelce gets older I'm not sure how sustainable that model is. Their wide receiver situation this year looks like a wing and a prayer.... if Kadarius Toney can become a full time player; or if Skyy Moore breaks out; or if Rashee Rice can have in impact as a rookie; or if Justyn Ross can stay healthy and prove himself.....

Overwhelmingly, yes!

Agree the makeup of the roster. The three individual questions are: 1. Doyle (health) 2. K Allen (performance and McDermott's admission on open competition) 3. Shorter (lack of impact on both O and STs in camp and PS1) Think those are the three spots I see as up for grabs.

I agree with @BADOLBILZ on centers with one exception... and it is an exception that applied to the Bills in 2018. When you have a rookie or 2nd / 3rd year QB who is struggling with protections (and Josh was really struggling with protections as a rookie) then it makes sense to pay a vet center who can take some of that responsibility on. I think in the immediate term in 2019 and 2020 that was a huge part of Mitch Morse's value. But as your young QB reaches his second contract it is the first thing I'd shake loose from. On McGovern, to get back on topic, I think as ever this thread has descended into people on the extremes of either side. There are those who are already hailing him as the solution because a) he isn't Roger Saffold and b) he has slotted in seamlessly in practice and 1 pre-season game. Equally there are those who say "pah it took him 3 years before he became an undisputed starter in Dallas" and "Beane always screws up the oline" who haven't actually engaged in who McGovern is as a player. There are real reasons to be optimistic about him. I think he is a very good fit for our offense and is potentially a guy who can give some continuity to a LG position that has been a revolving door for as long as I can remember - certainly since Incognito's second spell. But let's just hold our horses on declaring him the saviour until he has proven it in real games on the field.

Comp pick for Edmunds - Round 3 Tommy Doyle - Round 5 Luke Tenuta - Round 6

Only to an extent. DK produced in college he was just hurt. He has outproduced it in the NFL, sure.