GunnerBill

Yea Tre wasn't close to his best. But he could move around, he wasn't a total liability on the field. That is the distinction. Von was replacement player level.

Yea I am in the same place with Jenkins. Love him. Think he is probably best suited to a 5T in a 3-4

That is fair. The Bills have not had enough elite players.

They are concentration drops though. His hands are pretty good. The number of time Josh checked down to him this year and he held the ball despite getting levelled as he caught it was considerable. It is just concentration especially in the redzone.

Agree. He isn't an elite between tackles runner but he is plenty good enough and taking him off the field for a downhill guy makes our offense more predictable not less

Thomas was the perfect guy for us two years ago to pair with still prime Stefon Diggs. I don't think he is perfect for where we are now, though I'd still take it pretty happily if he is who we end up with!

I disagree. His yards after contact were the same as Derrick Henry's this year. He is absolutely fine between the tackles.

The voting is done at the same time as all pro voting I believe and then they just hold the MVP announcement for their silly over the top honours thing.

I think he absolutely fine getting hit. He is better at inside than many, many bigger backs.

It really is that simple. Spotrac and OverTheCap both agree. The numbers are clear as day on there. The reason they are all saying the out year is 2025 is because in 2025 you can cut him and not leave a single year's dad cap hit above $10m. Which is right that is what you would normally consider the out point. But that is before you factor in his total no show performance wise in 2024.

I don't know that it was thinking Josh is a bad Quarterback as such. I'm not sure they totally saw eye to eye on Dorsey's vision for the offense but I don't know if there was more to it than that. My gut has always been it might be a personal thing as much as a football thing. But yea, I'm not really sure what his end game is. I know he hates losing and takes it very badly. I'm largely ignoring his offseason posturing, as I did last year, but I think the same now as I did then: when there is this much smoke there is a fire burning somewhere. If we had missed the playoffs and changed regime I'd have seriously considered moving on from Stef as part of a re-set year (and I am his biggest fan since his rookie year in Minnesota) but given where we are I think they have to try and maximise him next year and while I think actually his vertical separation was definitely less this year than previous years, even at the end of the season I saw no issue with him separating quickly in the intermediate range where his cuts and quick feet hide the fact that he might have lost a year of pure speed. So we have to use Stef much more as a Z receiver, the flanker in old money, and bring in an X receiver with explosion who can win vertically. I think that is the way to maximise Stef (if they do that I am confident he can post another 1,000 yard season) and make the offense more dynamic.

It is not just age. It is more watching him this past year. Because I wasn't saying coming into the season Von is toast. When you combine how he looks with the fact he is about to turn 35 I think the chances of an offseason being the cure are extremely low.

With respect to Greg you don't "kick $15m out of the $32m we owe into 2025." $6m of that money is in 2025 even if we cut him as a post June 1 cut NEXT year which almost everyone presumes is the plan. So really what you do is accelerate (I prefer that term to kick in these circumstances - kick to me means move out in time whereas here we would be moving money forward) an additional $9m onto the 2025 cap which would otherwise (with a post 1 June next year cut) be on the cap in 2026. Again my point here is that 32m is 32m whichever way round you go. You can't get out of a penny of that money by cutting him now or cutting him later. This year's 17m is guaranteed and the 15m after that is long since paid in cash terms. So do you want to spend ANOTHER $6.7m on Von or not? Personally I think he is done, so no.

He is explosive so he flashes. Looks like he is shot out of a cannon at times in his get off. He definitely has ability. But he is still making mistakes when he is out there too and it has limited his play time.

Yea it is concentration drops. What is most interesting to me is 3/4 drops were redzone and I genuinely think he has taken his eye off the ball to look for the goalline in each of those situations. In all 3 it looks like his head comes up early. I think that is something coaching can try and drill into him a bit but mainly it is the sort of issue that experience and maturity can help with.

Diggs and Allen definitely fell out and it happened in season in 2022. I was told that by two people independently of each other LAST offseason. There was a point where the two were barely on speaking terms. I think they managed to piece some sort of relationship back together for the actual season in 2023. I wasn't told that but just looking on as a fan. But I don't think it was close to how tight they were before and I am not sure it ever will be.

Surprised and disappointed about Butler's departure. I suspect not even getting a chance to interview for DC before that job went to Babich probably did it.

He is a number 1 back. No doubt about it.

Basically, yes. The Manning offense had some E-P elements as well mixed in with some Air Coryell. But essentially it is the Parcells tree which produced Belichick, Coughlin and Payton and their various assistants thereafter. The only guy I can think of who ran it without working directly for any of those three is Jason Garrett.

I'm mid 2nd on Mitchell too grade wise. I think he could go earlier than that but that is where I am in terms of grade.

Yea I refer to that in my comment. But the rumours about him as an interviewee were out there last year too. I don't think it will stop him getting hired.

He did.

Honestly don't know much about him. The Saints were an E-P team though so it is a schematic fit.

You are misunderstanding what you are reading I am afraid. You do not save any additional money cutting him next year to cutting him this year. The 17.5 "savings" in 2025 is money we are not on the hook for. That is his unguaranteed 2025 salary. Cut him this year or cut him next year we are not on the hook for that. The money we are on the hook for is 32m: 17m of that in 2024 - his guaranteed chunk of 2024 salary 15m thereafter - 7.2m of his original signing bonus and 7.8m of his restructure bonus (all of that money is long since paid in cash terms and there is no way to avoid accounting for it in cap terms). There is no way of saving ANY of that money. If he stays this year you have to pay him an extra 6.7m. If you cut him we don't. If you cut him this year all of the 15m thereafter accelrates onto the 2025 cap. If we keep him this year and cut him as a post 1 June next year then that 15m is accounted for over two year - 6m in 2025 and 9m in 2026. The 17.5m we save in 2025 is unguaranteed salary and roster bonus. We save that either way. But that is only better if you get some production from Von. I just don't believe we will. See this is just wrong. The best game any corner on the Bills played last year was Tre vs Miami. Sure he didn't have the splashy picks Douglas had vs the Patriots. But he was lock down in that game against quality opponents.

The $17m IS sitting on the table right now. He is being paid it to be here. It is the guaranteed portion of his 2024 salary. He would be paid it if he was not here also but then it would be dead money. But he is being paid it anyway. The question is do you pay him $6.7m more. If you are on about the $15m - my pojnt there is the Bills have known about that dead money since they did the restructure. They likely planned to cut bait after 2024 anyway - a 5 year year deal that was really a 3 year deal so that $15m has already been baked into their plan. The only thing they lose by cutting him a year ahead of plan is the ability to split that $15m over two years of cap.