GunnerBill

I meant to type one of the favourites. My point was he would cut the odds of any team other than the Chiefs that he was traded to. In this "thought exercise". Let's say he signed now for Denver or Atlanta or Seattle.... they would jump into the top 3 or 4 in the betting instantly. If that team was already in the top 6 of favourites they'd jump to the top. But I accept I worded that carelessly.

Yes. All the NFL money lines ever. Your point that they are normally pricing in a larger drop off are fair, but what is pretty proven at this stage is almost nothing else moves NFL money lines. It is just QB status. Teams swapping out coaches or losing star pass rushers or star receivers barely registers. It is basically Quarterbacks. That is what moves the lines.

To claim this board blames Josh is to intentionally spread a mistruth. I'm sorry, it just is. And the bolded shows you will never take part in any conversation openly. Every player, every coach, every owner, every person can be questioned, criticised, debated and analysed. That is sports. To say one person, whoevet they are, is above that is utterly nonsensical.

You think TBD blames Allen????? Are you for real?

Whoever Mahomes plays for would be the Superbowl favourites.

You don't need scheme to know where your gap is on a simple outside zone run.

He is nowhere near ready if last Saturday is anything to go by.

Totally agree. And yea, Ed is clearly the 2nd best player on the team IMO. It isn't even close.

Top end talent and coaching are similar right now in terms of bigger gap. But it is proven over time it is Quarterbacks that move NFL betting lines more than anything else. And wider public opinion is NOT on your horse. Mahomes would move lines if he moved teams even if the other team was getting Allen or Burrow or Stroud or whoever the other way.

The Bills lost the turnover battle 3-0 and won the game.

Would be cool. Might happen post new stadium, but I imagine there are a few other places ahead in the queue

Did they? Those 215 yards passing and 25 yards rushing on 7 attempts were not the reason that game was at all close.

No, but he is strictly slot only.

They looked like they were observing though as in a "let's see how this goes" from what I saw. Maybe the photos / video gave a false impression.

Agree, I was just adding useful context. I do think Kincaid's usage was quite different between the two OCs. But I am totally on board with they have to get Kincaid down the field.

I'd completely forgotten about him until his name popped up. He was an important piece on those Clemson teams. Did he go undrafted?

If that is true that is a poor reflection on the Bills training staff. Because there is no way if you have a guy with a suspect torn bicep doing a push up to test it. There is a very widely accepted squeeze test that you do instantly and it generally gives you a pretty good guide. If he has torn his bicep the training staff have some serious questions to answer.

I think if Milano is out it is between Spector and Williams for the job. Williams is the more natural Will but the trusted Spector more at the end of last year and he has done some of both.

Kincaid's average depth of target did tick up pretty considerably under Brady as opposed to Dorsey. Was averaging a paltry 3.8 yards depth per target under Dorsey. Was up to 7.2 yards depth per target under Brady. That was one of the positive changes he made on offense. Two big games against the Pats and Steelers (playoffs) skew that a bit but they were two of the last 4 games and even without them it still ticked up more than a yard to 5.2 in the other 7 Brady coached games.

Fair, but we do know his yardage efficiency last year is way off any established NFL baseline. So either we think Shakir is like a generational type prospect or it is realistic to think it falls off some.

But fewer targets and more touchdowns. Wouldn't be totally unique but for a guy who is a team's 3rd wide receiver by targets and yards to have the most WR touchdowns..... that is pretty rare. Does not happen often.

I think you mean moved to WLB. Currently playing MLB but if he were moved to WLB still guys ahead of him?

I think there is almost zero chance Shakir's efficiency holds with a higher target share. The WGR morning show was talking about it last week. Sure his catch % may stay high, but when you are talking about the relatively middling volume of targets he had last year then breaking a couple of big plays from the slot skew the figures and his yards per reception get inflated.

None of which relates to the fact every thread the OP starts is the same. But thanks for playing.

Based on Saturday he has: - running round like his hair is on fire; - smashing into people indiscriminately; - overrunning simple outside zone plays; - atrocious lane discipline. We need him to step up in a huge way.